
Neither liturgics nor church music nor the Church itself could exist without history, and it is impossible to have a real grasp of any of these without at least some knowledge of their historical development. Neither the Russian Orthodox Church nor her beautiful liturgy fell down from the sky on Pentecost, contrary to what some faithful may think. Priests and parishioners with such a deficient sense of history can easily do more damage than good, especially in complicated times requiring ecclesial consciousness and discernment. The recent divisions and further subdivisions of our Church sadly witness to this state of affairs in a considerable number of our parishes.
Mother Vassa Larin
4 May 2008
Orthodoxy is Not a Religion of Fear
Historical Studies of the Russian Church Abroad
http://rocorstudies.org/?part=articles&aid=10764
Please do read the above article in its entirety FIRST. Much of what passes below presupposes an acquaintance with the arguments presented by Mother Vassa. In any case, a stimulating read! I do not agree totally with the conclusions reached… but, Mother’s arguments are literate and to the point. My disagreements are on certain points of her thesis, not her submission. No doubt, she would say likewise of me! THAT is how we should handle all honest and legitimate disagreements.
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One of the most enduring myths about the Church is that it is a monolithic body, that it only has one opinion on everything and that the faithful must conform themselves to it in every possible way. I believe that such a construct is profoundly false. Indeed, the Church is the most intense epitome of freedom within its stated boundaries. Can’t you see the konvertsy jumping up and down and shouting, “What about the canons? What about the Fathers?” Yes… what about THEM? Let’s not confuse the actual canons and the real Fathers with the uncritical and illiterate interpretation of such by those without the educational tools to use them properly.
One of the things that I consider crucial in forming an Orthodox world-view is a profound sense of history. Knowledge of where the Church has been is crucial (that is why JP is such a disaster), for the knowledge of its road in the past shall tell us where she is wending her way now. Some think of this as an academic exercise; others oppose such an idea, relying on popular instincts and memory. In my view, both are deficient, and each needs the insights provided by the other. In addition to this, there is excellent material on history published by heretics (especially SVS or St Herman’s Press)… one is stupid not to use it. Of course, one rejects the heretical interpretation that one finds beside the facts… approach anything from SVS, New Skete, St Nektarios Press, or St Herman’s Press with caution (often, the facts are straight, but, it shall have a skewed interpretation). Of course, be doubly wary of anything with a heterodox (papist or Protestant) provenance.
However, once one understands the general caveat that one must apply, one should use all possible sources. If for no other reason, if you do not use “adversarial” sources, you shall not be aware of the opposition’s arguments and general intellectual weltanshauung. Your own work will suffer impoverishment as a result; it shall not be what it should. In Mother Vassa’s words, “Saints Gregory the Theologian and Basil the Great took pride in having been educated in a pagan school at Athens. The great Chrysostom was taught by Livanius and Theodore of Mopsuestia… the one a pagan, the other a heretic. Although these Holy Fathers lived in times of rampant heresies and dogmatic confusion, they did not cultivate an Orthodoxy of fear. It was rather an Orthodoxy of responsibility and dogmatic awareness, inspired and fortified by a thirst for education”. In our day, Archbishop Kyrill Dmitrieff of San Francisco studied under Aleksandr Dmitrievich Schmemann at SVS… ADS was a consummate heretic and modernism and indifferentism infested SVS. Nevertheless, Vladyki Kyrill took what was good out of it all and he is one of the more grounded of Orthodox bishops as a result (this specific instance, I believe, proves Mother’s basic thesis… a very sound one in its generality).
However, one should supplement reading with experience… otherwise, the base of your conclusion is bloodless paper and ink and not life. If you wish to understand the history of the Mayfield PA church dispute, I would say that it is important to go there and pray at St John the Baptist Cathedral. I have… as a result, I have a deep understanding of why the people of Russian Hill fought so bitterly for their church-home. Trust me… it shouts at you from the very stones of the building! Yes… go to New Skete. See their little statue of “Saint” Francis… see their “icons” of ADS, Dorothy Day, and Edith Stein. Steel yourself and attend one of their hotchpotch services (I know… it’s hard… I stood it, so can you). Only then shall you realise how shockingly obscene the place is. Motor about northeastern Pennsylvania… look at Olyphant (my Nicky’s father is from there), Mayfield, Jermyn, Pittston, and Hazleton… this is where Russian Orthodoxy had its birth in “the lower-48”. It won’t hurt to go to Minneapolis MN… that is where the first parish (St Mary’s) to “come home” from the Unia to Russian Orthodoxy in 1892 (the true foundational date of the so-called Metropolia) is still located. You shall have a deep respect for the founders of our faith in this country consequently. Above all, go to Jordanville. Go to services there. Walk about the grounds, eat in the refectory, and talk with the monks and seminarians. After doing this, you realise that this is the beating heart of Russian Orthodoxy in America. Like all living things, it is not perfect… there are such things as false elders and sin… yes, Jordanville has had its fair share of both (Satan is twice as active in places where people seek after holiness). Yet, if any place is the “icon” of Russian Orthodoxy in our land, Jordanville is it, easily.
You can tell those who lack experience and only have reading as a foundation. Everything is a bit “off”. In fact, there is a reason for all of their posturing about the inflexible teaching of the Church. These people did not come into the Church because they loved Christ and His (Unique) Church. They came to us because they perceived lacks in their earlier confessions… they saw what they thought was mindless indifferentism in them. Therefore, they fastened upon those facets of Orthodox life, thought, and writing that appeared to contradict such. Ergo, they fail to see that the final authority in the Church is the living word of the bishops… not the sterile clauses of the canons… not the writings of the often-contradictory Fathers… and, certainly, not the vapouring of scatter-brained ivory-tower-bound contemporary “scholars”. Oikonomia is a life-giving principle… it covers over situations that the canons did not envision. I asked a real canonist (there are very few in the USA, none in the OCA) what his job consisted of. “I tell the bishop what the canons say on a given topic. Then, he makes up his mind”. THE CANONS ARE NOT A CHAIN WRAPPED AROUND OUR BISHOPS… THEY DO NOT IMPRISON THEM. They INFORM them. They GUIDE them. They show him what his brother bishops thought and did in the past. However, in the end, the bishop makes up his own mind. He may choose to follow the canons exactly or he may opt to forgo them (in disciplinary cases only… not dogmatic questions). This is his freedom as a bishop. If he oversteps the mark, what happens is that the other bishops, usually, bring a case up to the Holy Synod (itself composed of senior bishops) to resolve it (this is what occurred recently in regards to the case surrounding Diomid Dzhuban).
One can only pity those who straitjacket the Faith so. They are looking for a consistency that never was and one that we shall never have. Their quest shall lead them, I believe, out of the Church, for the Church’s very freedom is what is going to repel them. What they think is “canonical” is, all too often, only a non-binding theologumena of some theologian, or an “official statement” penned by a clerical bureaucrat (only the canons of a recognised General or Local Council are truly canonical according to my sources), or the personal opinion of this or that “scholar” or “expert”. In short, they assign a weight to such things that they should not have. In the end, they chase after a certainty that cannot be… one can only pity them.
I only have two quibbles with Mother Vassa’s article. Firstly, she appears to swallow the papist lie that the West is the Salvation of All… “The alternative to learning from the West was remaining uneducated” (God willing, the concise format of the article is what led to the distortion). She did not take her proposition far enough. Where did the West of Mogila’s time receive its education? When New Rome fell in 1453, Roman scholars fled to the West… THAT is why the West was so “educated”. In short, we owe NOTHING to the heterodox West. Secondly, she appears to accept the papist lies about a “Byzantine Church”, a “Byzantine liturgy”, a “Byzantine theology”, and a “Byzantine tradition”. Again… the very brief nature of the piece concerned may be the cause of this (or, it could show the bias of the interviewer… one can shape a reply by the questions one asks). We Orthodox are the proud heirs of ROME… New Rome… the papists always try to evade the fact that Constantinopolis Nea Romana (and the Orthodox Faith it embodied (albeit, imperfectly… it was no worse (and, probably, far better) than the Rome of the Borgia popes) was the most literate, most affluent, and most powerful centre of European civilisation from the fourth century to the eleventh (Old Rome was nothing but a provincial backwater… no doubt, its hayseed-hick backwardness and general illiteracy were reasons that the Popes of Rome developed such odd and conceited notions about themselves). If we are anything, we are Romaioi… ROMANS (or, one can say NEW ROMANS)… not (sneeringly, with a snarl) B-Y-Z-A-N-T-I-N-E-S. I, for one, refuse to use papist categories. I am against hatred or nastiness. However, Mr Taft is outside the Church (I believe that he is a Uniate Jesuit, of all things), and that affects how we should accept his utterances. He is, no doubt, a very nice and personable fellow… I would be nothing but polite and civil to him, trust me on that. Yet, if he speaks on Churchly topics, we must bear in mind that he is a convinced heretic and wishes to convert us to his heresy. Caveat auditor.
In the Church, a hundred different flowers blossom in Christ’s garden. It has always been such. God willing, let it always be so.
Barbara-Marie Drezhlo
Wednesday 11 November 2009
Albany NY
I got an interesting e-mail from an MP priest on this.
Andrei is an academic from Russia, brought in to bring up the academic level at Jordanville. He’s a good man, but, he’s very naïve and innocent and gets off the track very easily. Vassa Larin comes in two halves. One is fully Orthodox; the other is merely academic. When she speaks as an academic, she’s often rather wishy-washy. Robert Taft is a known quantity, he’s been around for well over thirty years… he’s just another Jesuit spouting through his spiritually empty brain. He’s of no interest at all.
A Good-Sense Country Batiushka
I quite agree… I thought that Andrei Psarev sounded like a naif suckered in by SVS… I was right. SVS has an odd attraction for the “educated”… that is, those from academe (and those who wish admiration from such). The place has no appeal for those of us who are not “professional” academics or windbag pseudo-intellectuals. I guess that ADS’ odd notion that academics were the cutting-edge of the Church is what grabs ‘em. Let’s be honest… the bulk of bishops, priests, and faithful mostly ignore the absent-minded professors and their irrelevant prattling. That browns ‘em off… they’re IMPORTANT, you see. Don’t you think that it’s time to put ‘em back in the place where they belong? I do!
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Wednesday, 11 November 2009 @ 17:47
“Archimandrite” Robert Taft speaks the same language as ADS (that he quotes approvingly). Underneath the professed admiration for Eastern Churches is the same spite of the “West” for the “East”. To make such a one the judge of our Liturgy is a serious faux pas, however… “foremost leading authority on Byzantine liturgy”. God have mercy!
Comment by vlad — Wednesday, 11 November 2009 @ 22:28
Vlad!
Let’s keep it simple! I didn’t care much for Andrei Psarev’s article (for such it was) nor for the lobotomised comments beneath it. I said that it was a “stimulating read”, not that it was correct! It certainly, stimulated my thought… it stimulated yours… and it stimulated others! Therefore, it served an admirable purpose. I agree wholeheartedly with my priest-commentator’s remarks… as do you. Now… do pass me the jug… it’s thirsty work to do some of this, sir.
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Thursday, 12 November 2009 @ 07:42
I think everyone with any academic rigour at all is aware of the problem with “liturgics”. The preserved documents are few and far between, from geographically and chronologically scattered sources. We have no continuous set of services preserved from early to modern times from anywhere such that a true development could be observed and described. And yet sweeping reconstructions are presented as fact (and often as preferable to current, established practice) based on citation of the spottiest of evidence. I’ve got one of Taft’s volumes on the Divine Liturgy of John Chrysostom (the Communion volume). After the hype I’d heard concerning his work in particularly this very multi-volume series, I was severely disappointed in reading through it. The evidence is insufficiently presented and poorly handled. But he has “a name” doesn’t he? Perhaps that will suffice for some.
There are those who find “liturgics” to be something of the red-headed stepchild of a theological curriculum. Instead of being, as it once was, a term primarily connoting the training involved toward internalization of the rules for constructing liturgies as celebrated in our parishes, it has come to connote (undoubtedly and absolutely due to Latin influence!) a study of the history of the liturgy, and that earlier “editions” of the Liturgy as somehow more valid (a Protestantistic idea!). This is all a viewpoint espoused by people like Taft, Bugnini, and other Latins with an agenda toward their own preferences for liturgy, justifying especially the spiritual nonentity that is the post-Vatican II Latin mass. We should steer as far clear of that void as possible!
Comment by Kevin P. Edgecomb — Thursday, 12 November 2009 @ 14:16
Kev!
Let’s be blunt… there are Orthodox pseudo-scholars who don’t like our liturgy as it stands. They want to be just like their papist and Proddie buddies. Well… they’re going to get their way… after they break with the Church. It’s coming and anyone with a brain can see it. They seize on every scrap of “evidence” that they can find… and they can’t find much, can they, Kev (I have no doubt that you have read far more deeply in theology than I have… I go to services to pray, not to be “instructed”)? As for me, I’m rather rock-ribbed… I believe that my ancestors knew what they were doing and it’s not for the likes of me to go mucking about with it! That goes TWICE for self-centred pseudo-intellectuals.
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Thursday, 12 November 2009 @ 14:34
Yes, Vara,
It stimulated me. I found out that “the world’s leading expert on Byzantine liturgy” was ordained a priest in the “Byzantine Slavonic (Russian) Rite” in 1963. Therefore, a Uniate-cum-Jesuit, to which he adds a typical American jactation. What I found also interesting is that besides his approval of ADS, he adds his approval of “young activist Orthodox priests in post-communist Russia” who made “perfectly clear that the preservation of the liturgical spirit of the Early Church in the Orthodox Church is a MYTH” (I paraphrased his utterances). Of course, I am deeply saddened that Orthodox chose to look up at this kind of character as one of “the leading experts” in our matters.
Comment by vlad — Thursday, 12 November 2009 @ 16:52
Vlad!
It just shows us that the rot is not merely in the OCA and modernist circles. There are those in the ROCOR who would do likewise… I keep it simple. Have no relations with Uniates… they are the Vatican’s knife at our throat. You must feel sorry for Mother Vassa… she truly thinks that we are fearful because we don’t wish to mix with Uniates… only a muddle-headed intellectual could think that!
Orthodox are FEISTY… Orthodox are ORNERY… fearful? Don’t be ridiculous. Kuzma Minin standing up on a stump stirring up the crowd wasn’t fearful! The monks helping the gunners fight back the papist Poles at the Troitsky Lavra weren’t fearful. The New Martyrs… courage was as common as the grass. That spirit still lives… the folks on Russian Hill in Mayfield didn’t roll over and “play dead” when ADS and his pals tried to steal their church from them in the courts. THEY FOUGHT BACK! Fearful… only an academic with no grounding in the real world could say such!
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Thursday, 12 November 2009 @ 17:05
Yes, Vara,
You got it right. The “Church of fear” is part of the lexicon of modernist Renovationism. Traditional Orthodox are “fearful”, they are “envious” of the modernists, they “isolate” themselves, they “live on an island”, “want to live in the Middle Ages”, etc, are clichés imposed by the “educational institutions” of the West. All graduates from them use the same language, be it in Russia, Europe, or Romania (there, having a number of Uniates, they even tend to overdo it).
Comment by vlad — Thursday, 12 November 2009 @ 21:24
Vlad!
Fearful… I have some good, short, and sweet words for that rot! I shan’t be rude… yet… !@#$*@! There! THAT’S what such rubbishy talk deserves. BOOM! Let’s give ‘em a whiff of the grape-shot from the good monks of the Troitsky Lavra… that’s what they deserve! Orthodox are HAPPY warriors… fearful? Be SERIOUS. Don’t forget Ss Aleksandr Nevsky or Dmitri Donskoi. “All those who march on Russia shall be put to death!” We’ll live in peace with all people of good-will… but, what’s mine is mine and you’re not gonna take it away, you Uniate imposters! I’m handin’ out the AKs in the back and Nicky is parcelling out the bandoliers and machetes. Wanna join us, Vlad? There’s always room for one more!
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Thursday, 12 November 2009 @ 21:34
I feel sorry for Mother Vassa.
Check this site: http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/martyrs/heruvima.shtml
Comment by vlad — Thursday, 12 November 2009 @ 22:38
Vlad!
I quite agree. The link provided to the life of Mother Heruvima is spot-on! It proves my contention that Orthodox should not use heterodox sources, for they are often tainted and distorted. To find out that Migne played games with St Chrysostom! It doesn’t surprise me, though. It’s what papists do… it’s why you must be wary about them.
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Friday, 13 November 2009 @ 05:23
It was often the case with the earliest published Greek texts that interpolations were introduced by the printers, all of which were initially Latin-educated (and who, like the Protestants, had absolutely no scruples about inventing evidence to prove their points: after all, everything they do in their eyes is golden). There were no printing presses in the East, after all. In some cases, manuscripts are still the only trustworthy sources for the study of some Fathers, because the early editions are so poor. Fortunately, much more honest textual work is in progress these days, so that we have more and more well-edited critical texts appearing (my favorite source for these being the Editions du Cerf Sources Chrétiennes series: original language with facing-page French translation). Nowadays the spin comes in the introductory and secondary literature, instead of trying to change the manuscripts. Ugh! I could go on for DAYS about that!
Comment by Kevin P. Edgecomb — Friday, 13 November 2009 @ 17:39
Kev!
It’s no different from dealing with material issued by SVS… one knows their agenda and makes the proper adjustments. As you said, they have “absolutely no scruples about inventing evidence to the prove their points: after all, everything they do in their eyes is golden”. THAT’S perceptive… I wish that I had thought of that one! God has BLESSED me with good acquaintances… know well that I appreciate you (you don’t have to DO anything, dear… you need merely “be”… I know that you understand me). As for introductions and “scholarly notes”, I ignore the lot of them and concentrate on the actual text. I wish to read what the saint wrote, not the blather of some overeducated and pseudo-intellectual boob. Trust me, the Fathers can speak for themselves… they don’t need the “scholarly apparatus” provided by academic schauspielers.
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Friday, 13 November 2009 @ 18:09
Thank you, Vara! The esteem is mutual!
Scholarship these days is nothing like it used to be. These scholars write that the Fathers and Saints and Prophets all had some agenda. This is only because the scholars themselves all have ulterior motives and agendas that they themselves are pushing and can’t imagine that anyone would do anything else. You can be sure that if the Church says one thing or comes from some Father, they’ll bend over backward to make sure that the writings say or mean something else, or that its falsely attributed or somesuch. This is predictable and tiresome.
One of the most amazing books on the Church Fathers I have ever read was Derwas Chitty’s The Desert, a City. It was based on a series of what must’ve been absolutely stunning lectures. Through his deep familiarity with the writings of the Fathers, he compiled (with what seems effortless ease–he knew and handled the materials so well!) an unsurpassed history of the Desert Fathers and those nearby them (in space and time). It still stands as a classic work, the standard history, and is a monument to a lost world of education, when true erudition and not its pretense or any “relevant” academic trends were valued. A lost world!
Comment by Kevin P. Edgecomb — Friday, 13 November 2009 @ 20:32
A statement of Sister Vassa caught my attention : “Neither the Russian Orthodox Church nor her beautiful Liturgy fell down from the sky on Pentecost, contrary to what some faithful may think”. It did so because just a few weeks ago I have heard from the mouth of a little “patrological” genius from Romania (of course one who studied with the “foremost experts” in patrology) a similar pronouncement: “the Gospels did not fall from the sky”, but, they were the result of a lengthy “historical development”. He was uttering this pronouncement at the presentation of his own translation of the Gospel of Matthew “after the best sources”. The context was the denunciation of the invariably faulty translations in Romanian prior to his own, adding “the Bible was not written at Falticeni” (a town in northern Romania).
Sounds the same, doesn’t it? It is the language of the “scientific approach” to everything churchly absorbed at the western “institutions of high Education”. Behind it all is: Christ did not fall down from the sky either.
Comment by vlad — Friday, 13 November 2009 @ 21:21
Vlad!
Keep it simple. We have a RECEIVED TEXT. The bishops way-back-when approved it. I don’t give a bloody god-damn what any “scholar” says or writes… they are not bishops, they should shut their mouths, and follow the Church’s text. If they do not wish to, I say, “Go to the Protestants!” Good riddance to bad rubbish. It’s pig rasslin’, Vlad, so, don’t even let them start.
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Friday, 13 November 2009 @ 21:47
Kev!
I’m NO theologian; I make no pretence at being such. But… I do know what is Orthodox and what is not. Don’t tell me that a church lacking a proper iconostas is a real Orthodox church… it isn’t. By the way, do you see where the papists are still trying to finagle a visit by their infallible pope to Moscow? They keep thinking that HA is some important figure… haven’t they figured out that every time HA makes a promise to them, Fr Vsevolod comes out and pours a bucket of VERY cold water on it (which means that KMG is cool on the idea)? For all his “infallibility”, Benedict is rather dense if he can’t figure that one out.
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Friday, 13 November 2009 @ 21:54
Your fifth and sixth paragraphs here are spot on. I wholeheartedly agree with what you say there, and shall to quote them in the future!
As for the interview with Mother Vassa, which I read as soon as it came out last May, I’m very conflicted about it. Some things are quite right. Others, not so much. And then there’s this jewel from Dr Taft: “The ROCOR has always been good at celebrating liturgy. Wouldn’t it be nice if it also had someone who knew something about it?” Well, how perfectly smug and superior! Please spare me.
Comment by Esteban Vázquez — Saturday, 14 November 2009 @ 22:35
Esteban!
Vassa Larin is so confused that she quoted the Uniate Taft as a buttress for her argument. HUH!? Uniates have no warrant to lecture Orthodox. Tfui on Uniatism… Tfui on smug pseudo-intellectuals like Bob Taft… and double Tfui on Orthodox who are suckered in by them. THAT says it all!
Cheers,
Vara
Comment by 01varvara — Sunday, 15 November 2009 @ 08:01