1893
This is what happened in the 17th century when the papists attempted to ram the “Unia” down our throats. It hasn’t changed one little bit. Beware of those who call themselves “Orthodox in Union with Rome”… they’re not of us… they never were, they aren’t, and they never will be. Crank world, ain’t it?
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Editor’s Foreword:
Usual shit from Paul Goble… but you MUST know what he says. After all, SVS and the konvertsy go gaga over idiots like him… they do NOT share the healthy instincts of REAL Orthodox Christians. They HATE the Orthosphere and its peoples… NEVER forget that… they’ve sold out to the Godless West.
BMD
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Having watched as the Polish pope, John Paul II Wojtyła, helped end the communist empire (sic) in Europe, Moscow must now cope with a new reality, a Russian commentator says, it must recognise that in Pope Francisco Bergoglio, “we have a Ukrainian pope”, someone whose ideas could threaten Russian interests in a new way. According to commentary on the Boardnews.ru portal, many Ukrainians hope, and many Russian Orthodox hierarchs fear that the new pope, precisely because of his experiences with and sympathy for Ukrainian Christians, will give the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church… the Uniates… a patriarch. This unsigned commentary provides a wealth of evidence for both these hopes and fears. It begins by noting that Francisco has shown himself committed to interreligious dialogue, and it notes that “for the first time” since the 1054 split between Orthodoxy and Catholics, Patriarch Bartholomew Archontonis of Constantinople, the universal patriarch (sic), attended a papal enthronement.
It cited the words of Father Orest-Dmitry Vilchinsky who said that the new pope’s “personality was formed in a multi-ethnic and poly-confessional society” and that Francisco is thus is inclined to and fully capable of opening a dialogue with representatives of all other religious denominations and faiths. However, the commentary continued, the Ukraine occupies a special place in the new pope’s heart. He was a student of Stepan Czmil, a Greek Catholic priest who is “one of the three” Uniate leaders whom Patriarch (sic) Josyf Slipyj {how could a Cardinal be a “Patriarch?”: editor} “secretly” consecrated so that they could “in case of necessity” enter “the territory of the USSR” and elevate new bishops for that church.
The new pope apparently knows the Byzantine Ukrainian rite and felt close enough to its leaders to provide testimony for the beatification of Slipyi. According to another Ukrainian émigré churchman who occasionally met with the future pope, Francisco has a “sentimental” soft spot for Ukrainians. The new pope also had significant experience in working with the Ukrainian church as an institution. While Archbishop of Buenos Aires, he served as the protector of Eastern Rite Christians who “did not have their own bishopric in Argentina”, including clergy and laity of the Uniate Church. The Blessed Svyatoslav {that’s a bit much… but par for the course for Goble… he’s WORSE than Weigel is, believe it or not: editor}, the head of that church, worked “under the direct leadership” of the Argentinean cardinal, and following the election of Francisco as pope expressed the hope that the latter would support a patriarchate for the Uniates, something they have long wanted because of the standing it would give them.
Russian concerns about the new pope’s probable course of action with respect to the Uniates are exacerbated, the Boardnews.ru commentary said, because Francisco is the first Jesuit pope. The Jesuits trained many Ukrainian churchmen, and the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian state long viewed their activities with suspicion. Moreover, the leadership of the Moscow Patriarchate issued a clear warning to the pope about the consequences of involvement with the Uniates. Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev of Volokolamsk, the head of the Russian church’s powerful department of external church relations {that shows the depth of Goble’s dumb-as-dirt ignorance… HH CUT the DECR by two-thirds and made the Blunder SMILE: editor}, said that such contacts “won’t lead” to anything good, saying that Uniatism is “the most sensitive issue in Orthodox-Catholic dialogue and in relations between the Orthodox and the Catholics as the Orthodox Church has always been sharply against Uniatism as such, as we view it as a deceptive attempt to force Orthodox into entering community with Rome”.
Not only did the Uniate church injure Orthodoxy by its work to revive its organisation in the Western Ukraine in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Hilarion continued, it created a situation in which “Uniates even mask themselves as Orthodox and don’t say that they’re Catholics, but call themselves Orthodox”, thus creating serious problems for the Moscow Patriarchate. In addition, the metropolitan touched on the Jesuit roots of Pope Francisco. The Russian churchman noted, “It isn’t accidental that the word ‘Jesuit’ acquired a negative connotation in the Russian language. A Jesuit is someone who appears to be one thing, but is another, who says one thing, but thinks another”. Given the sensitivity of the Uniate issue for the Moscow Patriarchate, Hilarion’s observation suggests that the Russian Church, however much it may hope for better relations with the Vatican in order to promote traditional values, will view the actions of a man whom some are calling “the Ukrainian pope” with deep suspicion.
24 March 2013
Paul Goble
Estonian World Review
http://www.eesti.ca/moscow-now-must-deal-with-ukrainian-pope-commentator-says/article39003
Editor’s Note:
This makes Francisco an interesting mixed bag… he’s leftist on social justice, pro-Argentinean on the Malvinas, but pro-Uniate to the max. That’s going to bugger relations with the MP… The MP shares the first two positions (along with a generally-traditional stance on morality), but the pro-Uniatism throws it all away. That is, it’s a deal-breaker. Neither side is going to give on the issue, so, that’s that. We should concentrate on friendly personal relations with individual Roman Catholics, clergy, and parishes… that’s all that’s attainable at present.
People like SVS, who’re inviting the papist Acton Institute to participate in a seminar, are plunging a knife into the back of their coreligionists… they don’t bloody care. That says much about SVS’ character (or, rather, the lack of it), doesn’t it? Note well that SVS and the konvertsy kiss the naked bums of the Uniates (and of the Old Ritualists, too). Kaufft nicht bei Chad Hatfield… or, you’ll be sorry…
BMD
20 April 2013. Usual BS from Paul Goble on Pope Francisco… Crank Stuff, But Read n’ Heed… Ya Gotta Know What’s Out There
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The Rejection of the Sermon of the Uniate Kuntsevich in Byelorussia
Ilya Repin
1893
This is what happened in the 17th century when the papists attempted to ram the “Unia” down our throats. It hasn’t changed one little bit. Beware of those who call themselves “Orthodox in Union with Rome”… they’re not of us… they never were, they aren’t, and they never will be. Crank world, ain’t it?
______________________________
Editor’s Foreword:
Usual shit from Paul Goble… but you MUST know what he says. After all, SVS and the konvertsy go gaga over idiots like him… they do NOT share the healthy instincts of REAL Orthodox Christians. They HATE the Orthosphere and its peoples… NEVER forget that… they’ve sold out to the Godless West.
BMD
******
Having watched as the Polish pope, John Paul II Wojtyła, helped end the communist empire (sic) in Europe, Moscow must now cope with a new reality, a Russian commentator says, it must recognise that in Pope Francisco Bergoglio, “we have a Ukrainian pope”, someone whose ideas could threaten Russian interests in a new way. According to commentary on the Boardnews.ru portal, many Ukrainians hope, and many Russian Orthodox hierarchs fear that the new pope, precisely because of his experiences with and sympathy for Ukrainian Christians, will give the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church… the Uniates… a patriarch. This unsigned commentary provides a wealth of evidence for both these hopes and fears. It begins by noting that Francisco has shown himself committed to interreligious dialogue, and it notes that “for the first time” since the 1054 split between Orthodoxy and Catholics, Patriarch Bartholomew Archontonis of Constantinople, the universal patriarch (sic), attended a papal enthronement.
It cited the words of Father Orest-Dmitry Vilchinsky who said that the new pope’s “personality was formed in a multi-ethnic and poly-confessional society” and that Francisco is thus is inclined to and fully capable of opening a dialogue with representatives of all other religious denominations and faiths. However, the commentary continued, the Ukraine occupies a special place in the new pope’s heart. He was a student of Stepan Czmil, a Greek Catholic priest who is “one of the three” Uniate leaders whom Patriarch (sic) Josyf Slipyj {how could a Cardinal be a “Patriarch?”: editor} “secretly” consecrated so that they could “in case of necessity” enter “the territory of the USSR” and elevate new bishops for that church.
The new pope apparently knows the Byzantine Ukrainian rite and felt close enough to its leaders to provide testimony for the beatification of Slipyi. According to another Ukrainian émigré churchman who occasionally met with the future pope, Francisco has a “sentimental” soft spot for Ukrainians. The new pope also had significant experience in working with the Ukrainian church as an institution. While Archbishop of Buenos Aires, he served as the protector of Eastern Rite Christians who “did not have their own bishopric in Argentina”, including clergy and laity of the Uniate Church. The Blessed Svyatoslav {that’s a bit much… but par for the course for Goble… he’s WORSE than Weigel is, believe it or not: editor}, the head of that church, worked “under the direct leadership” of the Argentinean cardinal, and following the election of Francisco as pope expressed the hope that the latter would support a patriarchate for the Uniates, something they have long wanted because of the standing it would give them.
Russian concerns about the new pope’s probable course of action with respect to the Uniates are exacerbated, the Boardnews.ru commentary said, because Francisco is the first Jesuit pope. The Jesuits trained many Ukrainian churchmen, and the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian state long viewed their activities with suspicion. Moreover, the leadership of the Moscow Patriarchate issued a clear warning to the pope about the consequences of involvement with the Uniates. Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev of Volokolamsk, the head of the Russian church’s powerful department of external church relations {that shows the depth of Goble’s dumb-as-dirt ignorance… HH CUT the DECR by two-thirds and made the Blunder SMILE: editor}, said that such contacts “won’t lead” to anything good, saying that Uniatism is “the most sensitive issue in Orthodox-Catholic dialogue and in relations between the Orthodox and the Catholics as the Orthodox Church has always been sharply against Uniatism as such, as we view it as a deceptive attempt to force Orthodox into entering community with Rome”.
Not only did the Uniate church injure Orthodoxy by its work to revive its organisation in the Western Ukraine in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Hilarion continued, it created a situation in which “Uniates even mask themselves as Orthodox and don’t say that they’re Catholics, but call themselves Orthodox”, thus creating serious problems for the Moscow Patriarchate. In addition, the metropolitan touched on the Jesuit roots of Pope Francisco. The Russian churchman noted, “It isn’t accidental that the word ‘Jesuit’ acquired a negative connotation in the Russian language. A Jesuit is someone who appears to be one thing, but is another, who says one thing, but thinks another”. Given the sensitivity of the Uniate issue for the Moscow Patriarchate, Hilarion’s observation suggests that the Russian Church, however much it may hope for better relations with the Vatican in order to promote traditional values, will view the actions of a man whom some are calling “the Ukrainian pope” with deep suspicion.
24 March 2013
Paul Goble
Estonian World Review
http://www.eesti.ca/moscow-now-must-deal-with-ukrainian-pope-commentator-says/article39003
Editor’s Note:
This makes Francisco an interesting mixed bag… he’s leftist on social justice, pro-Argentinean on the Malvinas, but pro-Uniate to the max. That’s going to bugger relations with the MP… The MP shares the first two positions (along with a generally-traditional stance on morality), but the pro-Uniatism throws it all away. That is, it’s a deal-breaker. Neither side is going to give on the issue, so, that’s that. We should concentrate on friendly personal relations with individual Roman Catholics, clergy, and parishes… that’s all that’s attainable at present.
People like SVS, who’re inviting the papist Acton Institute to participate in a seminar, are plunging a knife into the back of their coreligionists… they don’t bloody care. That says much about SVS’ character (or, rather, the lack of it), doesn’t it? Note well that SVS and the konvertsy kiss the naked bums of the Uniates (and of the Old Ritualists, too). Kaufft nicht bei Chad Hatfield… or, you’ll be sorry…
BMD