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Editor’s Foreword:
There was a very stilted, jangly, and over-literal translation of this piece on the official ROCOR website. It was poor enough for me to go back to the Russian original and make a clear translation from the Russian original. The ROCOR translation STANK and it had fraudulent and unwarranted links to Maria Vladimirovna’s mendacious little website that weren’t in the patriarchia.ru original. In short, HH isn’t cheerleading for Maria Vladimirovna or her Western lickspittle son (he was an employee of the EU, after all). I’ll have more to say later, for now, here’s what HH really said.
BMD
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“Your Holiness, please, tell me, in the light of the 400th anniversary of the Romanov dynasty, how does the Orthodox Church assess its rule? Is it worth my while to celebrate this event, and are the claims of some members of the Romanov family to the Russian throne legitimate?”
A letter by Vladimir Petrovich Surov, Saratov
Vladimir Petrovich, firstly, I’d like to say that the Church has a view of history that you can understand only from the perspective of its mission. Often, the media and the public demand an immediate comment from the Church on political events. If the Church, especially, in the person of the Patriarch, doesn’t comment immediately, it causes upset; they pose additional questions, they issue allegations, and, sometimes, they accuse us of holding a position opposite to our real one.
Fundamentally, in addressing the public, the Church draws attention to and remarks on everything that has to do with salvation. Historical events might be relevant to mankind’s salvation… that is, their effects might have an influence on such, but the fact remains that most events have nothing to do with the Gospel. That’s why the Church shouldn’t issue immediate comment on political events. The Church isn’t an organ of political commentary; we don’t have the job of immediately assessing -everything that happens in our country, in society, in the world. Conversely, nevertheless, the Church can assess historical events with a soteriological understanding, that is, from the point of view of how it affects mankind’s salvation. I’d like to comment on your question from that point of view.
You can’t separate the rule of the Romanovs from that of the preceding Rurikid dynasty. You can’t talk about the Romanovs without mentioning Grand Prince St Vladimir, St Aleksandr Nevsky, St Dmitri Donskoi, Ivan III Vasilyevich the Great (The Gatherer of all Rus), and Ivan IV Vasilyevich Grozny… all of whom played a major role in the development of our state. The Romanov dynasty simply continued the path of service to the motherland and people taken by the previous rulers. If you take a close look at the history of the Russian monarchy, certainly, one can say that their rule benefitted the country and the people. Every age has its own particular emphasis, its own understanding, on what is good. The Middle Ages had one understanding of this; modern times accentuate other things. Therefore, formally, superficially, the rule of Pyotr Veliki was different, of course, from the rule of Ivan Grozny, but from the point of view of public benefit, their rule, of course, very much resembled each other. Indeed, the state didn’t decrease in area under any tsar… every tsar increased it. Evidently, some gains were only temporary; for example, such as when our troops occupied Königsberg in East Prussia in the time of Tsaritsa Yelizaveta Petrovna, then, Peter III ordered them to leave the occupied territory. However, such minutiae are irrelevant to the matter at hand. Of course, in augmenting the Russian state, the patriotic service of the Romanov dynasty is undeniable.
However, I’d like to say something else. When we evaluate the activities of a sovereign, of any public figure of such magnitude, in fact, we primarily assess it from the point of view of results, of what it did for our country, for the people, for the development of society, but we forget about their personal attributes… they’re left in the background. One must say that no Romanov was a saint, except for the last one, who was glorified amongst the saints not as a statesman, not as a military leader, not as a political leader, but as a Passionbearer (страстотерпец). Consequently, when we speak of the Romanov dynasty, we shouldn’t forget the general cultural background in which they evolved. In this general cultural background, not all was well. We all know what pernicious influences affected the lives of our people in the 18th century… doubtlessly, with the connivance of the sovereigns, who were themselves keen on the spirit of the time. There were problems in the 19th century, as well. Therefore, although the Church rendered the state authority all due respect, as the Gospel commands, however, one can’t help but notice that there was a certain distance between the spiritual life of the people and the spiritual life of our aristocracy.
Talking about all of this, once again, I want to say that the rule of the tsars of the Romanov dynasty led to undoubted, enormous, and positive achievements. In this sense, firstly, I think that that we contemporary Russians have to feel gratitude for those who led our motherland for over 300 years, to appreciate what they did. However, for all that, our appreciation shouldn’t be jingoistic (лубочной), cartoonish, and artificial. Indeed, we must understand that the intelligentsia, the educated classes, made some serious mistakes in shaping their fundamental ideology, which undoubtedly affected the lives of the people. Therefore, the Church, from its point of view, from its assessment of history, has both a positive and a critical assessment of the rulers of the Romanov dynasty. In conclusion, I’d like to say that everything is relative. if we compare the acts of the tsars with the activities with the activities of those who destroyed Great Russia, who ripped it to pieces, who caused enormous damage to the national interest in the 20th century, then, of course, the weltanshauung of the Romanov dynasty appears to be a high and a remarkable example of caring for the state and the people.
Let’s move on to the second part of your question… you asked whether there’s a legitimate claim on the part of this-or-that Romanov family member to the Russian throne. From the outset, I’d like to point up no such claims exist. Today, none of the descendants of the Romanovs claims the Russian throne. However, Grand Princess Maria Vladimirovna and her son Georgi maintain the continuity of the Romanov line… not in terms of the Russian imperial throne, but simply as historic fact. I thank this family, and many other Romanovs, for their present contribution to the life of our motherland. Maria Vladimirovna supports many good causes, she visits Russia, she meets with people, and she elevates commoners to noble rank for their achievements. I remember how she elevated an old peasant woman from Smolensk to the nobility, to recognise the efforts that she’d make during the war and during the post-war years. Therefore, the cultural contributions of the Romanovs remain in our society to this very day.
Now, let’s address that part of the question that concerns a celebration… do we need to celebrate this? Yes, of course, it’s necessary to do this. It’s a great date in history. Regardless of people’s attitudes to the monarchy, or to the possibility of its restoration at present, the 400th anniversary gives us an opportunity to evaluate history. As I said, we must remember with gratitude the works of those who led the Russian state, who enabled our great achievements in the development of our country. They created our vast public infrastructure, including great works in transportation, and fostered the development of science, art, and industry. After all, suffice it to say that, on the eve of the First World War, Russia had almost become the second-highest GDP in the world, and had the Great War not intervened, then, surely, it would’ve reached second place. All this suggests that the tsars made a very important contribution to the development of our country, so, of course, to celebrate that is natural.
The celebration won’t be an official state holiday, but it’s still an important historical date, so, the Church will mark it with a Divine Liturgy at the Assumption Cathedral in the Moscow Kremlin to remember all of the Romanovs, from Mikhail Fyodorovich, Aleksei Mikhailovich, Pyotr Veliki, all the way up to the Holy Passionbearer Nikolai Aleksandrovich. We prayerfully remember these people, with thanks to God for their work, and with the prayer that the Lord give rest to their souls in the abode of the righteous. It’s pleasing to relate that the media, including television, is responding to this date. Today, you can see many interesting historical films, materials, and discussions on the subject. Even though it isn’t an official state holiday, the celebration is quite widespread throughout our society. Once again, I reiterate that the Church will make its own observation in its own way on this historical occasion, so, firstly, we’ll offer prayers to the Lord for the repose of the souls of the Romanovs to celebrate the 400th anniversary of the Romanov dynasty.
9 March 2013
Kirill Gundyaev
Patriarch of Moscow and all the Russias
A Pastoral Word
Patiarchia.ru
Official MP Website
http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/2836965.html
Editor’s Note:
Everyone knows how, in particular, Jordanville sucked up to the claims of Kirill Vladimirovich, Ducky, and their children. Hence, when this piece came out, it translated it in a hurry, without thought (or even careful reading of the text). HH didn’t endorse Maria Vladimirovna. HH didn’t endorse the dubious additions that the ROCOR official site webmaster made to the piece. Before running this, I had some long discussions with Russian contacts on the implied claims made by the ROCOR post. One Russian contact said:
You Americans have a saying, “As dumb as a box of rocks”. Well… Maria Vladimirovna is dumber than that. His Holiness was searching for something nice to say about her because she’s been savaged by her Romanov relatives, who don’t consider her the pretender because of the Salic Law. Some don’t even consider her or her son to be “real royals”. Her son is even stupider than she is… he was supposed to study in a Russian military academy, but he was so dumb that the faculty revolted and refused to admit him.
In short, Maria Vladimirovna isn’t going anywhere fast. HH refused to acknowledge her status as pretender to the throne. He wasn’t nasty about it, but he refused to acknowledge it, all the same. She and her son exist on Western sufferance… without that (especially, King Juan Carlos’ material aid), they’d be toast. Don’t forget… they live in France and Spain… NOT in Russia (although they do visit, and sometimes, Georgi acts as a gofer flunky to this-or-that oligarch). One can’t be angry with the monarchists in the ROCOR; most of them are simply people living in “Cloud Cuckoo Land”, as the Germans put it. This predilection allows charlatans such as Victor Potapov to push forward their crank agendas in the form of “monarchism” and “restorationism”. To say the least, the Romanov pretenders “have learned nothing, and forgotten nothing”. Yet, they’re more pathetic rather than dangerous… avoid them… they’re toothless curiosities.
In all the discussions that I’ve had with Russian contacts, all are clear that HH isn’t backing Maria Vladimirovna and all reiterate that he hasn’t gone back on any of his “left” social statements. Consider the source of the ROCOR post… and do notice that they did a “shoemaker” job of translation (piss-poor in the extreme). Sad, ain’t it? Don’t kick such sorts, it ain’t nice to mock the feeble-minded…
BMD
Alleged Unmasked CIA Agent Leaves Moscow
Tags: Central Intelligence Agency, CIA, Federal Security Service, Federal Security Service (Russia), FSB, Michael McFaul, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Russia), Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Russian), Moscow, political commentary, politics, Russia, Russian, Russian Empire, Ryan Fogle, United States, USA, Vladimir Putin
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NTV television reported that Ryan Fogle, the man Russia’s security services claimed to have captured last week as he tried to recruit a Russian to spy for the USA, left Russia on Sunday, saying that Fogle checked in on a flight at Sheremetyevo airport. Earlier, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MID) declared that Fogle, a Third Secretary at the US Embassy in Moscow, was persona non grata for “activity incompatible with his diplomatic status”, and instructed him to leave Russia by 20 May. Last Tuesday, the FSB claimed to have detained Fogle in the act of meeting a Russian special services operative, and offering him up to 1 million USD (31.5 million Roubles. 780,000 Euros. 660,000 UK Pounds) a year to spy for them. On Wednesday, the MID summoned US Ambassador Michael McFaul to formally protest Fogle’s activities. He declined to comment to the media on the incident. On Friday, a Russian intelligence agency publicly identified an individual that it claimed was the Moscow Station Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as of late 2011, a move widely seen as a breach of protocol in intelligence circles.
19 May 2013
RIA-Novosti
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130519/181239596/Alleged-Unmasked-CIA-Agent-Leaves-Moscow.html
Editor’s Note:
This smells more like intra-Russian infighting than it does Cold War tit-for-tat. The leftists have made common cause with the siloviki… and the pro-Western “liberals” {that is, libertarian Free Market buccaneers: editor} are Shit Out of Luck. Fogle was set up and he was stupid enough to fall for it. He was just the usual overeducated dweeb with an overinflated sense of self-worth. He was caught out… I still believe that he was a “roll yer own” operator, not a formally-trained Langley operative. What he did went against all the basic principles of spycraft… a real intel operator wouldn’t have carried what he had on his person or have done what he did.
VVP’s turning both “left” and “right”… he’s reaching for the legacy of both the Russian Empire and the USSR. This incident was “ready-made” for those who wish to discredit the Americans and those who wish to emulate them (mostly found in VERY small circles at the Centre and in Piter). In fact, it was rather too “convenient”… that is, this was more Sturm und Drang for a domestic audience than it was an actual nicking of a real spy. If Fogle were the real deal, they’d still be interrogating him, then, they’d have a show trial before shipping him off to Correctional Colony 1313 in the Sakha Republic to bust rocks under the Arctic Sun alongside Khodorkovsky.
However, here’s what perspirin’ minds wanna know… is there gonna be movement on l’Affaire Bout/Yaroshenko cuz Russia let Fogle fly free as a bird (sorry… I couldn’t resist the pun)? Hmm… could be…
BMD