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Sunday, 30 October 2011

‘Occupy Wall Street’ Protesters in Colorado Dispersed With Rubber Bullets

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Police in the US city of Denver used force against supporters of the Occupy Wall Street movement as a crowd of some 2,000 stormed the Colorado Capitol, CBS reported on its website on Sunday. Police clashed with protesters and used pepper spray and rubber bullets to break up the crowd, the report said. Protesters knocked a police officer off his motorcycle and kicked other officers, Denver police spokesman Matt Murray was quoted as saying. Seven protesters were reported to have been arrested. In New York, Occupy Wall protesters struggled to stay warm and dry in their tent camps in Zuccotti Park as a rare massive snowstorm hit the city on Saturday, with temperatures forecast to plunge to freezing overnight.

30 October 2011

RIA-Novosti

http://en.rian.ru/world/20111030/168259093.html

Note to Orthodox Christians:

His Holiness supports the aims of the Occupy Wall Street movement… JP supports the aims of its rightwing opponents. Which side are you on?

BMD

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30 October 2011. “Prognos Pogodi” on the Sobor…

There are three main alternatives:

  1. Lyonyo orchestrates a totally innocuous Sobor
  2. Fathausen defeats his foes and consolidates his position
  3. Fathausen goes down to total defeat

There’s no way to know what’s going to come down. The rumours are flying thick n’ thin… but I’d say that Lyonyo’s going to challenge the credentials of everyone he doesn’t want there… that’s certain. JP’s cred is in the toilet, save for amongst the konvertsy. If they lose, they may very well stamp off and form a new church with JP as hierarch. Truly… there’s nothing to hang a conjecture on, especially as Lil’ Mizz Ginny refused to do her duty and post anything substantial about the upcoming Sobor. Putting a post about reading a bootless and notional “Strategic Plan” is nonsensical and a non-starter. Like it or not, our Church in the USA is parish-based, not diocesan-based, so this Plan is nothing but worthless bum-fodder. She had the responsibility to have posted something on Friday… that’s what REAL journalists do. This tells you that Lil’ Mizz Ginny is nothing but a clueless TV presenter reading off material that she doesn’t understand. The people deserved better than this. In short, Fathausen spat in your face and in your coffee, too. It’s up to you to DO something about that. If you don’t, it’s on your heads, not mine.

As the deacon says to the priest at the beginning of liturgy… “Now is the time for the Lord to act”… indeed. Shall you do what you must or are you going to punk out for the sake of “peace?” The next few days will tell us.

Barbara-Marie Drezhlo

Sunday 30 October 2011

Albany NY

VOR Presents an Interview with Andrei Fursov: “Let’s look at America. It now resembles the Roman Empire of Trajan’s time”

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Editor’s Foreword:

This was one of the “Readers’ Choice” selections on the VOR site. This is good stuff… it’s certainly an antidote to the dreck published in the Washington Times and pushed on Fox News. It’s a bit longer than usual… but its good stuff utterly free of Western Corporate Media puffery and schmutz.

BMD

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How are the leading economies coping with the global crisis? What are the changes coming amongst the geopolitical players in the 21st century? Which prescription will help Russia overcome the crisis? Our guest is Andrei Ilyich Fursov, Director of the Centre of Russian Studies at the Institute of Fundamental and Applied Research of Moscow University for the Humanities (MosGU), a member of the International Academy of Sciences, and a member of the Writers’ Union of Russia. Our moderator is Igor Panarin.

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Igor Panarin

We’ll look at the problem of the global economic crisis, and investigate the chances of its deepening. Our guest is Andrei Ilyich Fursov, someone who’s studied the topic of economic crisis for quite some time. He’s Director of Russian Studies at Moscow Humanitarian University. All political scientists and experts are asking, “When will the second wave of the global crisis hit?” What do you say to that?

Andrei Fursov

If you ask about the beginning of the second wave, it suggests that the first wave is over. I agree with those of our economists that are sceptical that the crisis is over.

Panarin

Would you say that the first wave is still active?

Fursov

Firstly, the injection of substantial sums of money and plain old statistical fraud has disguised it. In fact, the crisis isn’t going away. There’s much joy about this supposed abatement, but time’s running out. The fact is, over the last three years, private demand in the USA, for example, fell one trillion dollars (29.75 trillion Roubles. 709 billion Euros. 620 UK Pounds) each year. That’s a huge amount. An injection of growth in the money supply and budget deficits has offset this.

Panarin

So, you’re telling me that it’s all PR?

Fursov

Of course.

Panarin

Is this PR losing its oomph?

Fursov

Yes, of course, because you can’t go on increasing the budget deficit. The situation we see now is such that it’s no longer possible to camouflage the crisis. The GDP isn’t growing, and employment isn’t growing either, on the contrary, it’s on a downslide.

Panarin

Occupy Wall Street absorbs all of the USA; the rallies aren’t only in New York City. What do you think of this? Is it a sign of the fact that the PR puffery is failing? On the other hand, is it some sort of special action (спецакция) {the prefix “spets” (special) in Russian often refers to intel or arranged events… Mr Panarin is asking, “Are the rallies spontaneous, or are they staged?”: editor}?

Fursov

I think it’s a special action (спецакция) with the purpose of helping President Obama’s re-election prospects.

Panarin

Then, it’s probably not a coincidence that Soros said that it was good. Yes… Obama spoke in support of it, too.

Fursov

Of course, it’s in Obama’s favour. However, the problem is that this isn’t a solution of the crisis. This is true not only in the USA, but in the EU, too… which also has very serious problems.

Panarin

What’ll happen with Greece and the EU… will it collapse? Will it not collapse? Will it default? Will it not default?

Fursov

That, no one knows. Fact is, the EU was an artificial construct from the first.

Panarin

Whose?

Fursov

Certain élites thought that it would be good to unite Europe. Indeed, in fact, there have been calls for the unification of Europe for the past 70 or 80 years.

Panarin

If I remember rightly, Vladimir Ilyich wrote a whole article on that.

Fursov

The first “working model” of the EU was the Third Reich. Hitler created a European Union. Everyone has to recognise this. Moreover, we must honestly admit that most Belgians, Dutch, Czechs, Danes, in general, weren’t averse to living in such a European Union. Continental Europe was more or less serene under Hitler. It was an attempt to restore the empire of Charlemagne. However, as Tyutchev noted, when Pyotr Veliki established the Russian Empire, the European Empire of Charlemagne was no longer realisable.

Panarin

Tyutchev knew what he was saying.

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Karlovy Vary in Czechia, a very typical piece of Mitteleuropa…

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Fursov

That goes without saying. Although the EU is an artificial construct, it has a strong core in Germany, France, northern Italy, and Luxembourg… in Central Europe. Don’t forget, there are parts that the Europeans themselves don’t consider “Europe”. For example, take the Poles; the Europeans don’t consider them “Europeans”. The same is true of Bulgaria and Romania. The only possible exception is that most Europeans consider Czechs “Europeans”… but the Germans don’t. The Germans don’t really believe the Czechs to be Europeans {if you have any doubt on that, look at the history of the “Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia” under Hitler: editor}. In this respect, I think, the first severe crisis will really occur when the EU starts to fall apart at the seams.

Panarin       

You think that’ll actually happen?

Fursov

There are two variants in this scenario… the less likely one is that the EU will collapse totally. The more likely one is that there’ll be a hushed-up failure, you could say that a certain core group…

Panarin

Which supposedly would be an element of transformation?

Fursov

Yes, a powerful core group. In the words of Nikolai Gogol, “for those who are purer”. Well, as for the rest, so to speak, they’ll be their bootblacks. In truth, I think that Eastern Europeans would agree to it, for they’d have hopes. However, such hopes wouldn’t materialise. In a nutshell, that’s what’s happening in the world today… unfortunately, the problem is so severe that, without a serious decrease in warmongering, any attempt to shrink these debts won’t succeed.

Panarin

You said it! Maybe, has it already begun? Look at the Middle East and Libya. This situation is quite fluid.

Fursov

The situation in the Middle East is very interesting.

Panarin

In your thinking, is this relevant to the EU, or is it irrelevant?

Fursov

It’s indirectly relevant. Here’s the thing. Let’s look at America. It now resembles the Roman Empire of Trajan’s time, that is, when the Roman Empire went from the strategic offensive to the strategic defence, when they began to build walls, which were both physical and symbolic signs. In other words, America’s mired in Iraq and Afghanistan; it should gradually withdraw from the Middle East and use another form of control.

Panarin

When will that be, in your opinion?

Fursov

What’s happening in the Middle East shows that they’re preparing to leave. However, the fact is, nature abhors a vacuum. If the Americans leave, the Chinese or Europeans will come in. Therefore, the USA faces a problem… how can they withdraw in such a way that no one else comes in to try to undo the American arrangements?

Panarin

How will they do that?

Fursov

It’s really rather simple… all that you need to do is to create chaos in the region. The best specialists in the creation of chaos are Radical Islamocists.

Panarin

Who’re the ideologues behind this concept?

Fursov

It’s very difficult to identify the ideologues precisely. The fact is, there are a large number of institutions in the United States… open, secret, semi-secret… that develop…

Panarin

Well, in your opinion, who are the most public figures in this process, in this chaos, as you call it?

Fursov

In the chaos? For example, let’s look at a man who was very active in the early years of the 21st century, Stephen Mann. He was a special representative of President Bush on Eurasia, he frankly said that the United States should use a strategy of controlled chaos, and they have used it.

Panarin

Can we say that Holbrooke’s part of this movement?

Fursov

Absolutely. There are a lot of people. However, the most important thing is that you need to create conditions for Radical Islamocists to rise to power. Therefore…

Panarin

Andrei Ilyich, I’ve got to interrupt you. Are you trying to tell us that part of the transnational élite in the USA’s trying to use the Radical Islamocists as tools of destabilisation? What about Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda?

Fursov

The fact is, bin Laden was a semi-mythical figure in the first place.

Panarin

It seems that they’re struggling with it.

Fursov

Bin Laden, Saud, and Bush, it’s all, so to speak, one company in fact. I’ll get back to the problem of Radical Islamocists in the Middle East. They use the Islamocists to create chaos, especially since the USA created the Islamocists.

Panarin

Yes, it’s no secret.

Fursov

In his works, Alexandre del Valle called Islamocists the “chained hounds of American-style globalisation”, their contractors.

Panarin

In general, it sounds so weird that Muslims would do such a thing.

Fursov

No, it’s not strange at all. This is a classic… and we do need to give them a round of applause… method of the Anglo-Saxons. In order to disintegrate the Ottoman Empire, they pretended to develop pan-Turkic ideas. Look, of the Middle Eastern countries, Syria and Libya didn’t have Islamocists in power or any presence of them. Then, suddenly, they just popped up.

Panarin

The war began.

Fursov

What could happen next in the Middle East? The Middle East may become a zone of chaos harbouring Radical Islamocists.

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NATO bombing in Libya…

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Panarin

That is, it’s not a zone of chaos now?

Fursov

No, not yet. Libya’s already chaotic. As for Algeria and Morocco… they’re not chaotic yet. They may try to justify a long war here, one that they’ll mostly carry out using private military corporations.

Panarin

That’s quite a lot.

Fursov

Yes, it is quite a lot. In part, they’ll get NATO to participate. They can take the same part that they did in the ground operations in Libya… NATO soldiers of Arab origin will dress in native garb and fight with the clowns.

Panarin

They’d be “scenery” in Qatar.

Fursov

Absolutely true.

Panarin

They say they’re preparing such “scenery” for Damascus.

Fursov

I haven’t heard that, but it isn’t surprising. Therefore, there’s a war near ​​Mauritania, they could increase the chaos in the area from Mauritania to our Caucasus, they could try to make it a macro-regional war…

Panarin

On such a global theatre?

Fursov

Yes. They could also use it as a prelude to a major war, which, of course, would wipe out all the debts and clear the books, bringing in a “new world”.

Panarin

What kind of world? I find that interesting.

Fursov

It would be a world where states would have much less sovereignty. Ultimately, the United States would turn into a cluster of multinational corporations.

Panarin

Explain what you mean by a “cluster?” I find that an interesting term.

Fursov

Our social scientists, and not only ours, missed the post-war emergence of a New Class, a political/corporate faction ruling the capitalist class, the Corporatocracy. This group is closely aligned with multinational corporations. Then, in the ‘70s (we’ve done enough research on this), intelligence agencies reoriented their efforts to multinational corporations.

Panarin

It shifted? That is, it turns out that the special services actually perform tasks for…

Fursov

They began to work for the transnational corporations. Moreover, the Corporatocracy at the turn of the ‘60s and ‘70s developed its own supranational structures such as the Club of Rome and the Trilateral Commission. A triad arose… transnational corporations, their supra-national political structures, and the special services. If we look at what happened in the last quarter of 20th century, it becomes quite clear that the United States of the ‘80s and ‘90s… it was much more a combination of transnational corporations than it was a traditional state.

Panarin

That is, in fact, already at the end of the 20th century, the USA lost the status of a nation-state?

Fursov

Outwardly, the USA looks like a nation state. However, the French radio director Lefebvre (?) (Лабевьер), author of the remarkable works Terror Dollars and Scenes of Terror, says that US foreign policy isn’t decided by chance; he explains how the different factions and complexes of transnational corporations in the United States carry out a variety of foreign policies. This has led to a “privatisation” of foreign policy, as the various factions carried it out.

Panarin

Has it already focused on some idea? Or, is it a struggle between competing groups?

Fursov

Of course, these groups are struggling. Just read the latest book, Game Change.

Panarin

That’s an interesting name.

Fursov

In this book, two American journalists {Mark Halperin and John Haylemann: VOR} show the growing struggle between the factions of the Democratic Party, one connected with the Clintons, that is to say, the “Old Guard”, and a faction of aggressive “Young Turks” for Obama. Of course, besides these, there are others…

Panarin

That is, it turns out that there are two powerful blocs even within the Democratic Party.

Fursov

Exactly. Of course, behind each one is a very large supranational force. Don’t forget that Obama himself, when he was still a student, was part of a group of eight students, amongst whom he was the only non-white, who had Brzeziński as a tutor, who worked with them specifically.

Panarin

You can say that he nurtured them.

Fursov

Yes. Brzeziński was a creature of the Rockefellers. Clearly, that’s a combination. Of course, you must understand that the Rockefellers play on both sides of the aisle. They’re present on one side, and on the other side, too.

Panarin

It’s difficult to identify the players clearly… if you change sides, doesn’t that change the game?

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The Taliban… Brzeziński’s gift that “gave on giving”… the USA armed, funded, and supported these creepozoids because of the rightwing’s sick hatred of Russia. This was another one of Slobberin’ Ronnie’s brainstorms… 

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Fursov

Yes. However, one of the main tenets of the world élite is that you never put all your eggs in one basket… they support both the right and the left. Where the left’s out of power, they go to the right. They planned to destroy Russia by making a revolution in Russia and turning Russia into an engine of world revolution. Stalin thwarted these plans in the mid ‘20s, when he decided on the policy of building socialism in one country.

Panarin

That is, their plans collapsed?

Fursov

Yes. Therefore, they tried another path. It was the same thing; World War II would build up Hitler. It’s no accident that, in 1929, several events coincided… the expulsion of Trotsky from the Soviet Union, the beginning of collectivisation in the USSR, the beginning of the global crisis, and an event that was very important, but which is usually overlooked… in 1929, Montagu Collet Norman, who was the Governor of the Central Bank of England in 1920-44, and who weighed in the balance of history about as much as Roosevelt, Churchill, Mussolini, and Hitler put together…

Panarin

Although he’s mostly an unknown.

Fursov

No question. In 1929-1931, he closed the British Empire from the outside world in terms of trade. The British Empire was 25 percent of the global market. The British were trying to restrain the Americans.

Panarin

Thirty-six million square miles… that’s a huge area.

Fursov

Precisely. However, the Americans weathered this situation. Firstly, the Rockefellers appear to have financed our Five-Year Plan. Then, they tried to solve their problems through…

Panarin

That is, it turns out that a deal between the Rockefellers and Stalin gave us the chance to win the Second World War?

Fursov

No, the Russian people won the victory. However, some technical preparations did help us, and the Rockefellers were of assistance in that.

Panarin

Andrei Ilyich, returning to the current stage, we’ve not mentioned China in this scenario. Is it already a global player? Is it a nation or is it a cluster?

Fursov

China’s definitely becoming a global player. At one time in the early ‘90s, journalists thought that the world has four global tribes… Chinese, Anglo-Saxons, Jews, and Arabs. However, I’ve modified that scheme. I removed the Arabs, because Arabs become integrated.

Panarin

So, you think that there are three tribes, then?

Fursov

No, there are two. The fact is, the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish élite have close links, especially after the death of Queen Victoria in 1902. The European aristocracy gathered and decided that it’s possible to marry for them to marry their financiers… regardless of their nationality. Over the last hundred years, a powerful Anglo-Saxon/Jewish elite has formed, which is very formidable. Incidentally, this is one of the achievements of Western civilisation over the last four hundred years.

Panarin

That is, in fact… cementing a pragmatic reality…

Fursov

Yes, you’re quite right.

Panarin

What about China?

Fursov

Here’s a very interesting thing. Since the ‘90s of the 20th century, over the last 20 years, the Chinese have opposed the unified western élite.

Panarin

That is, in general, we’re not global players?

Fursov

We’re not a global player. Thus, there are two global players, each with its own strengths and weaknesses. The West first encountered a non-European global player in the form of the Chinese, because the Soviet Union was by culture and education still within Christian civilisation.

Panarin

That is, it was, in fact, a rivalry within the same project?

Fursov

Yes, it was one project. What was the Soviet Union? The Soviet Union embodied the leftist project of modernity, stemming from the Jacobins. The Chinese aren’t of European derivation; they’re a global player of an Oriental type. In addition, the western élite face a very ancient enemy in the Chinese élite. For example, if the Jews are a very ancient element (2,500-3,000 years) of the Anglo-Saxon élite, when they face the Chinese élite, they face an opponent with an equally long lineage.

Panarin

We could call both archetypes, as both go back many thousands of years.

Fursov

Yes. The only problem is that the Chinese were world players only over the past 20 years, whilst the Western élite has been around for the last 200-300 years.

Panarin

Would you say that the Chinese are rapidly gaining or not?

Fursov

They quickly caught on, but it’s difficult to obtain the experience gained by the Europeans. The point is that the Chinese élite came within their Empire, where the largest upheavals were peasant uprisings and palace plots. What was the European Western élite doing for the last 300-400 years? There was permanent war, revolution, and struggle between states because Europe had an Interstate System. The experience of the North Atlantic Western financial and informational élite is unique.

Panarin

From your point of view, will there be a global struggle between them? Shall it happen this year, or in two or three more, or is it already in progress?

Fursov

It goes on under the surface. However, it might not reach an open collision because China is well-integrated into the world trading system and world market, and the Chinese are doing everything to integrate themselves slowly without problems.

Panarin

Chinese restaurants…

Fursov

Yes. The Chinese have a wonderful strategy they call “can shi”… they’ll eat as slowly as a silkworm eats mulberry leaves, but they’ll go forward. Another thing that’s difficult to say is whether China has a global plan, since China considered itself the centre of the world… a global plan… I’d say that’s a conceit of the modern world.

Panarin

That is, they look at everywhere else as nothing but “suburbs?”

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Qui vadis, China?

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Fursov

The Chinese have enough control over internal information and financial zones. However, grave social problems came along with their economic successes. The more China has economic success, the greater will be its social problems. For example, in China, there’s a relatively modest middle layer, that’s begun to eat differently. They’re eating more meat.

Panarin

Is that good or bad?

Fursov

This is good in the short term. However, to produce 1 ton of meat it takes 7 tons of grain, and to produce 1 ton of grain, it takes 1,000 tons of water. There’s not all that much water in China. This year, already, China’s had 180,000 peasant disturbances.

Panarin

That is, it turns out that a seemingly minor matter can lead to serious consequences. On the one hand, people began to eat better, and, on the other hand, this leads to serious problems.

Fursov

Yes. Of course, the Chinese leadership’s well aware of that. In spite of this, there are processes that are very difficult to curb. Sooner or later, the gap between rich and poor groups, between rich and poor provinces in China could lead to very significant shocks.

Panarin

Andrei Ilyich, here are the two global players. Russia… what should it do? What shall we do in this fight? Or, should we stand aside and wait?

Fursov

I think that Russia should use the classic Chinese strategy, by which China…

Panarin

We aren’t Chinese.

Fursov

Yes. We need to draw upon the experience of the Anglo-Saxons, Jews, and Chinese; we need to take the best. I must say, no matter how cynical this may sound (unfortunately, the world is set up in a cynical way), this serious global crisis could be a chance for Russia. If we look at Russian history, we can see, every time Russia pops up, took a leap forward…

Panarin

When do you think we ran out of this trap?

Fursov

We jumped out of the trap when the present severe crisis began. After the first Russian Time of Troubles (the beginning of 17th century), anyone could’ve taken Russia with their bare hands. However, the Thirty Years’ War of 1618-48 raged in Europe, and they weren’t going to attack Russia. When it was over, Russia was strong enough to care of its own defence. Peter’s reforms ruined the economy of Russia, and in theory, you could’ve taken Russia with your bare hands in the ‘20s and ‘30s of the 18th century. However, in Europe, at the beginning of the 18th century, there were the Wars of the Spanish and the Austrian Successions. By the middle of the 18th century, Russia recovered enough so that it beat Frederick II of Prussia.

Panarin

We took Berlin.

Fursov

That’s true. “They’re going, going to Berlin, our Cossacks”. Finally, after the Civil War, after the revolution of 1917, you could’ve taken Russia with your bare hands. However, there was a struggle between the Anglo-Saxons and the Germans, and there was a struggle within the Anglo-Saxons between the British and the Americans, and a conflict between the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. Stalin played on these contradictions so that we could break the back of Hitler.

Panarin

That is, it turns out that, no matter how cynical and ironic it is, this global crisis could be a chance for us.

Fursov

Nevertheless, we must meet two conditions… we have to use our will and our intellect.

Panarin

What’s more important? Or, are both important?

Fursov

Both… and more. We must have political will. You very well know the global alignment. Unfortunately, we lack an adequate picture of the world. We need a new science of society and the world. That is, if we can use these two conditions, it’s possible to “use” the crisis. The will and the intellect must be attributes of what I call “the subject of strategic action”. That is, the subject must have the will to break the jaws of the enemy and have the intellect to figure out how to do it. Let’s hope that we’ll be able to be such.

Panarin

Andrei Ilyich, let’s use this to finish our dialogue on a positive note. We’ve jointly concluded that the crisis is stuck at a stasis point, and that there’s no second wave because the first one isn’t over yet. However, Russia has a chance, we hope that we’ll show the will and intelligence to grasp it, and that Russia will take advantage of those tends that are negative for others to rise again like a phoenix to become a great and prosperous nation once again.

25 October 2011

Voice of Russia World Service

http://rus.ruvr.ru/radio_broadcast/6320486/59064102.html

30 October 2011. Video. The Great Handicapped Hooligan Balalaika Band… Some Good Clean Po-Nashemu Fun

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Pop the top off a pivo and SMILE. Isn’t this 100 percent better than long faces, obsession with rules, and pettifogging about the canons? THIS is the REAL DEAL.

BMD

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