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This passed between a dedicated Cabineteer and me:
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They claim that Whiteford’s an AUTHORITY. What a joke… he has NO Orthodox seminary time; ergo, he’s no expert of any sort. At least, Fitzgerald and Schmemann had real credentials (Tikhon Fitz WAS at SVS for a year), as do Lebedeff and Oleksa (despite all their wrong opinions). Whiteford, Puhalo, Gillquist (or any of his crowd), Rose, and any HOOMie you could name had NONE (correspondence courses or informal training don’t equal real seminary formation). None of them had a real seminary formation. That’s not minor. None of these jerks had a degree equal to a kandidatura from the MDA. Is it worth my while to reply to this shit? I’m asking you… do you see a need to do so? I frankly find the topic off-putting. The religious hobbyists and all their vapourings are irrelevant. Besides, they’re their own worst enemies. Have a good one, and do pass the jug. The world hasn’t gotten less crank in the last 24, has it?
Cabinet
No, I wouldn’t waste time to reply to this crap. They ARE their own worst enemies. I sent it only because it added to a small point of history.
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True to my friend’s advice, I’m not going to reply to the noisome rot posted on Monomuckos (it IS a waste of one’s limited God-given time); however, it’s good to say a word or two about some of the konvertsy “experts” floating around out there. John Whiteford doesn’t have Orthodox seminary formation… that, in itself, renders most of his opinions worthless. It speaks even more of the ignorance of those who put him up on a pedestal. He doesn’t even have Orthodox seminary under his belt, let alone an advanced theological academy degree. He doesn’t deserve mention in the same breath with Mark Golovkov, Vsevolod Chaplin, or Andrei Kuraev… like them or not, they all have kandidaturas. None of the konvertsy loudmouths has an Orthodox kandidatura (or its equivalent… and heterodox degrees don’t count), and most of them lack a real Old School Orthodox seminary formation. It’s GIGO on a major scale, kids. Yet, don’t try to break up the party in the sandbox… they won’t listen to you and they won’t modify ANY of their beliefs or behaviours (after, all they’re RIGHT, dontcha know).
They all seem to hate Lazar Puhalo. He IS a character (I met him), but he’s no ogre. My take is that he’s a dotty monastic with a “past”… the OCA should have taken him as an archimandrite and let him live out his life in peace. He’s no danger to anyone, let alone the Church at large. He isn’t really a bishop, in the best sense of the term, but some of his critics aren’t really priests, in the best sense of the term (most of his most vociferous detractors are shake n’ bake konvertsy clergy with no real seminary formation). It evens out. Again, my take is that he’s a harmless monastic living out in the sticks in BC, that’s all. He has no movement; he’s not trying to push rank heresy in the Church (he’s no Bulgakov, Berdyaev, Schmemann, Grabbe, or Florensky). Mostly, he simply holds different opinions on undefined theologumenae than the Monomuckos toddlers do, and they don’t like him for that. I think that we should leave him in peace unless he tries to pass off something as serious as Bulgakov or Florensky did, and he hasn’t yet (probably, he wouldn’t, for he wants a peaceful life as much as any one of us do).
Love BT is bloviating again. I shan’t reply to that, but I shall say that one of the most difficult things to learn in life is that our “take” on a given situation may very well be very wrong. People whom we thought were friends, were really enemies, and vice versa. Take his story on why he’s no longer Ruling Bishop of the OCA Diocese of the Western USA with a block of salt. Tikhon Fitz is one of the most controversial bishops that the OCA ever had, and he had more than his share of enemies (including on the Holy Synod). Obviously, he sees himself as an “innocent victim”… do keep your distance from such sorts, they tend to blow at the most surprising moments. As I say, more than one wanted his head… and he had a loud claque of supporters, too. I’d advise all concerned to avoid this particular cow pat… unless you must, and you needn’t, for he’s no longer a ruling bishop. Let him be and let him rant… of course, the toddlers will applaud him. Mark down who does so, and oppose them. Don’t waste your time in futile argument.
It’s not boring in Orthodoxy in the American diaspora, is it? Pass the jug, it hasn’t changed in the last 24, and it bids fair not to change in the immediate future (there’s hope in the longer term, but we’re stuck with the existing apparat now). In short, the Church is being its irascible self…
BMD
14 December 2013. Quo Vadis, Ukraina? Is the Ukraine Giving Up on the EU?
Tags: Azarov, Customs Union, diplomacy, diplomatic relations, EU, Europe, European Union, Kiev, Moscow, Nikolai Azarov, political commentary, politics, Russia, Russian, Russian diplomacy, Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovich, Viktor Yanukovych
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Editor’s Note:
There’s no solid news yet of any deal between Russia and the Ukraine. Until then, all speculation is bootless and the sign of a sick mind. However, all the usual cast of suspects will spout the usual shit on the Sunday morning talk shows. They know no more than I do… which is nothing. At least, I admit it…
BMD
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Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov described the EU’s reaction to the Ukrainian decision to reject an economic association agreement with them as, “The sovereign decision of the legitimate government of the Ukraine brought about astonishment bordering on hysteria. What did Viktor Yanukovich‘s government do? Maybe, it withdrew from an agreement on nuclear weapons proliferation? Or, it declared it’s making an atomic bomb, contravening its obligations? Or, shot someone? If the [Ukrainian] government takes a decision to sign, the document goes to parliament for ratification. There, it’s possible to discuss problems, present questions, support it or not support it, and protest and react in a constitutional civilised field. A rabid reaction… there aren’t any other words for it… has followed an absolutely normal event… a declaration by a government that after studying an agreement, it thinks it isn’t very helpful to the Ukraine, and they don’t want to sign now, but want to consider it further. Demonstrators are taking to the streets on such a scale and with such fierce slogans as if they’d declared war against a peaceful state against the wishes of the Ukrainian people. It doesn’t stand up to normal human analysis. No doubt, provocateurs are behind this”.
Last month, Kiev turned its back on a widely expected association deal, saying it’d harm economic relations with Russia, prompting mass demonstrations by pro-EU protesters and throwing the country into a political crisis. Last Wednesday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Nikolai Azarov said that Kiev would return to talks on the association agreement with the EU in the spring. Both the EU and Moscow accused the other of using strong-arm tactics to secure economic ties with Kiev.
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The Ukraine appeared ready to sign economic agreements next week that might well spell the end of a deal that would bring Kiev closer to the EU, following announcements by Ukrainian Prime Minister Nikolai Azarov that it was ready for a deal with Moscow. Azarov said that his government resolved outstanding questions with Moscow and would sign a range of economic deals with Russia on Monday to salvage economic relations with its neighbour. That follows a dramatic volte-face by Ukraine last month, when it ditched a proposed economic accession agreement with the EU.
On Saturday, Azarov told a pro-government anti-EU demonstration in Kiev, “We understood that signing this agreement [with the EU] would mean bankrupting us. We need to restore trade with the Russian Federation. Moreover, at last, after long talks we’ve agreed on the removal of all disagreements with Russia. On Monday, we’ll complete these talks and we’ll sign a range of agreements that’ll get our businesses back to work. When we took the decision to suspend association, we were thinking about you”. Azarov said that the EU insisted on unacceptable conditions to strike a deal with Brussels, including introducing gay marriage and laws protecting sexual minorities, saying, “The opposition leaders tell fables when they say that we only had to sign an [association] agreement [with the EU] to start travelling to Europe visa-free the next day. It was nothing of the sort. We’d have to comply with a whole set of preconditions… we had to legalise same-sex marriages, we had to adopt legislation on equality of sexual minorities, and so on. Is our society ready for this?”
On Thursday, the BBC cited EU High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton as telling reporters that President Yanukovich assured her that his aim was to eventually sign agreements with the EU. A Ukrainian news report, citing the minutes of a government meeting, said the Ukrainian cabinet instructed the Ukrainian Economic Development Ministry last week to draw up plans for the Ukraine to join the Customs Union of the Eurasian Economic Community (TS EvrAsES). The website zn.ua reported that they want the plans ready for the meeting of the Ukrainian-Russian intergovernmental commission due to take place next Tuesday. The significance and nature of the forthcoming deals with Russia was unclear Saturday. The Ukrainian government said just last week that it’d return to association talks with the EU in the spring. On Saturday, following a meeting with Yanukovich in Kiev, Azarov said, “We want to make stronger positions for the Ukraine in talks with the EU and talks with Russia. Only then will they respect us”.
Meanwhile, on Saturday, Yanukovich instructed Azarov to make sure to tell society, in particular, students, about the government’s aims and “issues surrounding the Ukraine’s EU integration and the course of negotiations with the EU”. Police in Kiev were standing by as rival groups of pro- and anti-EU demonstrators prepared rallies for the weekend. Organisers claim that 200,000 will attend an anti-EU protest in support of President Yanukovich on the Maidan. Police cleared barricades erected by protesters around the government buildings in the centre of the city last week, but large numbers of protesters remain camped in the area.
14 December 2013
RIA-Novosti
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20131214/185550835/EU-on-Verge-of-Hysteria-Over-Ukraine-Decision–Russian-Minister.html
http://en.ria.ru/world/20131214/185553850/Kiev-Prepares-Roadmap-for-Joining-Russian-Led-Customs-Union–Report.html