Voices from Russia

Monday, 22 July 2013

22 July 2013. Did Lenin Order Tsar Nikolai’s Death?

01j Early Red Poster

“We’re not slaves!” THIS is what the Revolution did… bear this in mind when you hear the woollier ROCOR elements spout their lies. They do have an interest in so doing… Uncle Sugar does pay so many of them… 

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Editor’s Foreword:

The following is from a longer debate between a muddled member of Maria Vladimirovna’s household and a KPRF leader. The whole debate is here. However, this statement is where the rubber hits the road for 99.9 percent of all people. Lenin did NOT order the death of Tsar St Nikolai… neither did Sverdlov… nor did the all-Russian Central Executive Committee (VTsIK). It was a local action of the Ural Soviet. I’ll have more to say, afterwards.

BMD

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Now, the question arose as to if there is at least some indirect documentary evidence incriminating Lenin and Sverdlov in the planning of the execution of the former Tsar and his family. According to RF SKP investigator Solovyov, there’s none. Many refer to a doubtful journal entry by Trotsky. He supposedly wrote that he came from the front, learned of the death of the royal family, and asked Sverdlov, “Who decided that?” Sverdlov allegedly replied, “Ilich decided”. However, such a conversation couldn’t have happened at the time for the reason that in the minutes of the meeting at which Sverdlov announced the execution of the former king, Trotsky’s name appears among those present. So, how could he allegedly write about a conversation after arriving from the front with Sverdlov and Lenin? Trotsky had already started to play with the facts. There’s nothing surprising here, there’s nothing to refute…

After all, the situation in July 1918 was terrible. The war with Germany was lost, so, Lenin “resolved” the situation, trying to stop the entry of German troops into Moscow. It started with the signing of the Brest peace. The Left SRs in the government were terribly displeased. That led to a revolt of the Left SRs. Then, there was a provocation against Lenin and the Soviet government… the murder of Graf Mirbach.  On top of that, the Soviet government was beset by foes on all fronts, and there was yet another provocation… the murder of the German princesses. Understand, this was extremely disadvantageous to Lenin and Sverdlov, to Soviet power in those conditions. It was yet another provocation in order to provoke a war with Germany, from which the Soviet government strongly denied Lenin’s involvement…

The RF SKP stated that neither Lenin nor the Soviet government were involved in the lawless execution of the royal family. Lenin and Sverdlov insisted on a trial, and no one raised the issue of murdering them. It’s only a contemporary opinion that they were guilty of a criminal offence. This act was against the will of the central government. It was an excess of the Civil War. This fact, the KPRF admits.

17 July 2013

KPRF Official Website

http://kprf.ru/history/date/120724.html

Editor’s Afterword:

Victor Potapov and his ilk are known quantities. Potapov was (or is) a paid propagandist of the US government, paid to undermine the Orthosphere. If “he who pays the piper determines the tune”, then, its clear that any statement on his part concerning Russian society, politics, or history reflects the Russophobic views of his paymasters. His statement on Stalin on the official ROCOR website must be taken in that spirit. Of course, he attacked Stalin… he’s the obedient lapdog of pro-Free Market forces, who’re the enemies of all decent people. All other similar statements by those of like-mind should be likewise given short shrift. Do note that they’re silent on the White Terror and on Russian collaboration with the Nazis (many of them do have family ties to KONR and SS traitors).

Sad, ain’t it? A bunch of opportunistic First Families has hijacked Christ’s Church, and they accept a “mess of pottage” from its foes. Nevertheless, it won’t last forever… it’ll only seem that way…

BMD

 

Thursday, 17 July 2008

Fr Vsevolod Chaplin Called for a Clear Statement Concerning the Guilt of the Murderers of the Imperial Family

Aleksandr Kerensky (1881-1970), leftist leader of the Provisional Government. If his order to arrest the tsar was illegal, then, those who assisted him were also guilty. These same people later led the Evlogian schism in Paris.

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The most important task in the matter of the murder of the family of Tsar Nikolai II must be the establishment of who’s at fault in this crime, those who planned it, those who carried it out, and those who followed the orders of the Urals Soviet, according to Fr Vsevolod Chaplin, assistant head of the MP Department of External Church Relations. “To me, it seems that the most consequential issue isn’t the one concerning the recently-found remains, but we should focus on the main problem, the chief question. That is, ‘Who’s guilty of this act?’ This is a question that’s been unanswered up to this point”, Fr Vsevolod said to our Interfax-Religion correspondent on Thursday. “Of course, we can’t haul the perpetrators of the murder of the imperial family into court to face justice; God has already punished them with His judgement. However, it isn’t only possible, but it’s necessary, to name all of those guilty. This is the most consequential task facing us”, he said.

In his opinion, it’s less important to name those who carried out this crime than it is to answer a more pressing question, “Who gave the order to murder the imperial family?” It’s also of consequence to establish who approved this order, “those who by their consent became participants in the act. We have to establish whether the order for the arrest of the imperial family was legal, and if it was, then, we must ask who is responsible for this illegal act. Was it the Petrograd Soviet or was it the Provisional Government that decided to arrest the tsar and his family? Are the leadership of the Urals Soviet and the Ural Cheka solely innocent or guilty, inasmuch as they gave the order for the murder for the imperial family, or is their guilt shared by the Petrograd Soviet and the Provisional Government?”, Fr Vsevolod noted. He called “for a thorough investigation using the large amount of historical evidence extant” to determine whether “the All-Russian Central Executive Committee approved this act, and whether Lenin, Sverdlov, and others, were personally responsible. The discussion shall be fruitless unless we can determine the guilt or innocence of these people and these institutions!”

17 July 2008

Interfax-Religion

http://www.interfax-religion.ru/?act=news&div=25516

Editor’s Note:

This leads to an interesting corollary question. The White emigration wasn’t monolithic, not all émigrés were royalists. This was particularly true in Paris, where Westernised secularised intellectuals seized control, leading to the Evlogian schism, which was the precursor of the present Paris cabal (ADS came out of this questionable group). If we find that the Provisional Government (many of the Paris group were members of or supporters of the Provisional Government) was at least partially guilty of the arrest of the imperial family, this leads to the inescapable conclusion that many of the church problems that later bedevilled the Orthodox diaspora had their genesis in such depravity. It’s sobering food for thought.

BMD

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