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Thursday, 8 December 2016

8 December 2016. Pravoslavie FUCKS UP ROYALLY… AGAIN! Bad Translation from the Platina Nutters, Yet Again

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Shevkunov strikes again! That is, he hands over translation of material to dumbass rightwing Amerikantsy converts, with predictable results (he likes sending stuff to the Platina nutters… the Rose crowd or to rightwing bozos like Jesse Dominick). His handling of HH’s comments on same-sex marriage and homosexual orientation were interesting… in the sense that Chinese people mean when they wish you, “May you live in interesting times”. First, we have the Russian original posted on patriarchia.ru. Next, is my translation… the Pravoslavie abortion is last. Note the howler in the name of the Parisian archbishop. That’s a proof of ignorance and laziness… two things seen in abundance amongst konvertsy… read on, kids…

BMD

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Russian original

Ваше Святейшество, мы видели, насколько болезненна для многих французов тема легализации однополых браков. Были массовые протесты. Касались ли Вы этой темы в ходе своего визита?

Да, мы коснулись этой темы во время беседы с архиепископом Парижским кардиналом Андре Вен-Труа. Всем хорошо известна роль Католической Церкви, которая категорически выступала против легализации однополых браков. И миллионная демонстрация французов, в основном, католиков, была ясным свидетельством несогласия значительной части населения с тем, что произошло.

Нужно сказать, что ничего не меняется в позиции Церкви, и измениться не может, потому что это против христианской морали. Еще раз хочу сказать, что мы никого не осуждаем – ни католики, ни православные. Мы не требуем некоего ужесточения в отношении людей, у которых есть какая-то особенность в сексуальной ориентации. Но мы категорически против уравнивания этих взаимоотношений с браком, который определен Богом и в результате которого рождаются дети, продолжается жизнь человеческого рода. То, что входит в Божий замысел, не может корректироваться никакими политическими доктринами и никакой политической практикой. На этом основывается позиция Церкви.

http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/4706946.html

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My translation

Your Holiness, we’ve seen how gay marriage is a painful topic for many French people. There were mass protests. Did you touch upon this subject during your visit?

Yes, we touched on the topic during a conversation with André Cardinal Vingt-Trois, the Archbishop of Paris. The role of the Catholic Church is well-known in this; it strongly opposes legalising same-sex marriage. The demonstrations involving millions of French people, mostly Catholic believers, were a clear sign of that; they showed that [Catholics] disagreed with the majority opinion [in France]. I must say that nothing has changed in the Church’s position; it can’t change, as [any change would be] against Christian morality. Once again, I want to say that we never condemn anyone… [“we” meaning] both Catholics and Orthodox. We don’t ask that there be restrictions against people of a different sexual orientation. However, we categorically oppose any changes equating such relationships with marriage, which is Divinely Ordained, within which children are born, so that the life of the human race continues. That is part of God’s plan. We can’t modify that with political measures or political ideologies. That’s the basis of the Church’s position.

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6 December 2016 Pravoslavie.ru article

Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and all the Russias has noted that while the Orthodox Church has strict traditional stances on marriage and family matters, it doesn’t condemn people, who are always called in love to repentance. In Paris to consecrate the new Trinity Cathedral and spiritual centre, His Holiness also met with the Catholic archbishop of Paris, Cardinal Andrew-Ben-Tura in which the theme of sexual orientation was raised. Summarising the Church’s stance, at a press conference the Patriarch stated:

I must say that nothing changes in the Church’s position, and can’t change, because it’s against Christian morality. I want to say again that we don’t judge anyone… neither Catholics nor Orthodox. We don’t require a hard line towards people of a peculiar sexual orientation. But we categorically oppose the equating of such relationships with marriage, which was defined by God and results in children being born and the continuing of the human race. What is included in God’s design can’t be corrected by any political doctrine or practise. On this is built the position of the Church.

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/99221.htm

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The rubber hits the road with какая-то особенность в сексуальной ориентации. Literally, it’d be some feature of sexual orientation. That jangles in English, doesn’t it? OK, how do we “English” this in a way both correct and pleasing (not so easy, as my experience tells me)? What’s the primary word here? I’d say that it’s особенность. It depends on the context, but it mostly gets “Englished” as feature or particularity. Other possible choices are quality, factor, or trait. It’s clear to me that some konvertsy brat chose peculiar as it fit their ignorant Yahoo rightwing opinions. HH was being very careful not to be judgemental, so it’s clear that’s not what he meant. Indeed, the choice of such an unusual idiom (usually, Russian uses non-traditional sexual orientation to indicate homosexuality) proves that he bent over backwards in his effort not to offend anyone. To carry over this into English, I chose people of a different sexual orientation. It has the same flavour of vagueness and nonspecificity found in the original. The “translation” on Pravoslavie destroyed that… peculiar turned HH’s carefulness and wish not to offend anyone into a mindless Yahoo rant. That’s unforgivable. I believe that we’ve ordained far too many ex-Evangelicals… things such as this prove that they’re not “of us”. I’d say that the bishops would do well to defrock most former-Evangelicals. They’re not of us, never can be, and they distort what the Church truly says. Shall we have the courage to do it, though?

BMD

Tuesday, 7 July 2015

7 July 2015. A Thought from the Righteous Elder Amvrosy Grenkov of the Optina Pustyn

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7 July 2015. A Thought from Righteous Elder St Amvrosy Grenkov of the Optina Pustyn (+1891)

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For more information on Righteous Elder St Amvrosy Grenkov of the Optina Pustyn click here.

At present, the Convertodox are all agog over the “gay marriage” thing and about how it’s such a big threat to us. That isn’t so (the Church has its position, it hasn’t changed, nor has the state threatened even the slightest of actions in response, either now or later). DO NOT ARGUE WITH RIGHTWING ASSHATS. NEVER EVER. Do NOT frequent their websites… do NOT take part in their fora… do NOT argue with them in person. Trust me, you’d have better luck talking to the wall. They’re going to parade this or that “spokesman” and tell you that they’re giving the “Teaching of the Church”. That isn’t so… there’s diversity of opinion in the Church on how best to implement its teachings… do have a care with people like Patrick Reardon or Victor Potapov. The former lacks Orthodox seminary formation (but does have heterodox formation) and the latter lacks an Orthodox graduate degree (he has seminary, that’s it… he lacks a kandidatura from an established institution such as the MDA, Thessaloniki, or Belgrade). That is, neither one is an authoritative voice. DO NOT LOG ONTO A SITE CALLED MONOMAKHOS… the idiots all hang out there… all that it’d do is rile you to no end. If a priest shoves his opinion as the “teaching of the Church”, complain to your bishop… if that doesn’t work, you can go further, to the SOBs (Synod of Bishops). In most cases, that’s the charm. DON’T FEED THE TROLLS! That’s not only good secular advice, St Amvrosy makes it clear that it’s the Church’s REAL teaching, too. Have a care, the times are perilous…

BMD

Sunday, 26 April 2015

26 April 2015. Rightwing Slimers Climb Out of Their Holes on Marriage… Politicising the Sacraments Yet Again!

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In the Rodina, the Church requires a civil marriage before a religious ceremony. HH supports that… so should we… without fanfare and without juvenile posturing as Reardon just did.

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Reardon and Mattingly crawled out of their ratholes again to politicise the sacraments yet again (click here for the full article). Firstly, civil and sacramental marriage are two separate things, and have always been. I asked a friend at the MDA about this, and he said, “If someone wishes to get married in the Church, they must have a valid civil marriage. State and Church are separate, but we aren’t going to cause any controversy either”. That’s all that Reardon had to say, “As of today, no one without a valid civil marriage can ask for a sacramental marriage”… and leave it at that. That’s the policy in EVERY diocese in the Rodina. However, this loudmouthed semi-heretic wanted to make a political splash in his Far Right circles (he was a supporter of the dubious deposed Moriak… he was also one of those who supported the deposed Paffhausen). After all, Reardon considers the notorious heretic Florensky a saint (yeah, the guy was a genius… he was also one of the greatest heretics in Church History); hey, Pat’s one of those semi-converted konvertsy influenced by the sodomite heretic Gleb Podmoshensky. Reardon has NO Orthodox clerical formation and he teaches at a so-called “Continuing Anglican” seminary. Don’t forget, Sir Pat left the OCA because Feodosy Lazor refused to ordain him, as he had no Orthodox seminary formation (a wise move). In short, the guy’s hardly Orthodox in his heart-of-hearts. I won’t judge his eternal destination, for that’s God’s place, but it’s clear that Reardon’s a raving ignoranus (as his lack of Orthodox clerical formation shows); no decent and true Orthodox Christian can stand with him in anything. After all, he’s part of that crowd of lunatics that believe that people “excommunicate themselves”… nothing more barmy can be imagined!

His pal Mattingly’s part of that dubious claque around Freddie M-G and Potapov in the District. He works for an Antichristian Sectarian pressure group, which shows that his commitment to the Church is rather shaky, too. He’s one of those who refuses to stand publicly for Suffering Novorossiya, as that wouldn’t go down well with his Far Right Sectarian colleagues. Remember, Freddie M-G colludes with the ravening Uniate enemies of Christ’s Church, and her circle does likewise. At a time when Holy Orthodoxy is fighting a “battle of civilisations” with the Uniate papist imposters, such indifferentism isn’t only wrongheaded, it’s criminal! Reflect well that all the konvertsy go gaga over Freddie… most of them are like her (and Mattingly and Reardon)… they gleefully associate with the Uniate and Sectarian enemies of the Church.

In short, this is rubbish all the way around. All that Reardon need have done is quietly acted… AFTER CONSULTING WITH HIS BISHOP! I think that this Rightwing Piece of Shit didn’t do that. He has no right to set ANY policy… he’s only a priest! Our theology makes it clear that priests are only delegates of the bishop, they’re only priests insofar as they share in the bishop’s fullness of the priesthood, they have NO right to act independently. We commemorate the bishop at every service… NOT THE PRIEST! We’re a hierarchical Church… the bishops sitting as Holy Synod make such policies, not prideful jumped-up konvertsy “priests!” In short, Reardon merits deposition for his action. He overstepped his bounds, did it publicly, and courted public notoriety in the media. God willing, the AOCANA will do just that. Whatever the merits of his position, he had no right to arrogate to himself a prerogative that Church Law and Tradition leaves to the Holy Synod sitting en banc. Snotty arrogant ignorant Anglo bastard… the sooner that we slap him down, the better.

BMD

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