Voices from Russia

Saturday, 23 November 2013

“From the Very Beginning, the EU insisted that the Ukraine Couldn’t have Joint Membership in a Free Trade Zone with the EU and in a Free Trade Zone with Russia”

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Ricardo Young

Big story about the Ukraine’s possible membership in the EU… it’s now suspended. What’s the story behind the story?

Dmitri Babich

Well, we need to clarify several things. First, at the Vilnius summit of the EU, which takes place on 28 November, the Ukraine planned to sign a so-called association agreement. It doesn’t mean that the Ukraine would become an EU member; it just means that the Ukraine would become a part of a free economic zone, a free trade zone with the EU. This is a tricky issue.

I’d like to stress that it’s important for the USA, because they invested billions of dollars into persuading the Ukraine to turn its back on Russia and snuggle up to the EU. Pro-American President Viktor Yushchenko lost the Ukrainian presidential election in 2010, but then, the new President, Viktor Yanukovich, also said that he wanted the Ukraine to associate itself with the EU. That was the cause of many scandals and disagreements between the Ukraine and Russia, because, from the beginning, the EU insisted that the Ukraine couldn’t have joint membership in a free trade zone with the EU and in a free trade zone with Russia.

Right now, the problem is that Russia and the Ukraine have a de facto free trade zone. Large amounts of Ukrainian goods enter Russia customs free. Therefore, Russia’s fear was that if the Ukraine joins the EU economic space, if it joins the Russian free trade zone, then, European goods would just flood the Russian market, from the Ukrainian-Russian border all the way up to Vladivostok, and that’d destroy Russian domestic industry. Consequently, Russia made it very clear to the Ukraine that if it joined a free trade zone with the EU, then, Russia would create a real border with the Ukraine, with customs, taxes, and all the things associated with border crossing. At the last moment, the Ukraine, just days before the Vilnius summit, announced that it was suspending measures that’d make it eligible for association membership with the EU.

Of course, Ukrainian society is badly split, because much of Ukrainian society is nationalistic and anti-Russian, which says that Yanukovich stole Europe from us. Already, they use terms like it being treason against the European dream of the Ukraine. Of course, the US State Department already expressed its disappointment with the Ukrainian move. In fact, it’s very funny, because for many years the USA said that it wanted to protect Ukrainian sovereignty, that the Ukraine is an independent state, that no one should interfere, especially Russia. Now, when the Ukraine took a sovereign decision, we have American and EU diplomats expressing viewpoints, in essence, insulting the Ukraine for its choice.

Young

Is there anything to allegations that Russia didn’t want the Ukraine to go westward, that it wanted it to go eastward in its political and economic ties? Russia does supply much energy to the Ukraine. Is there any sign that it might affect the flow of energy to the Ukraine if they indeed pursued associate membership in the EU?

Babich

I think when you see a partner reorienting its industry to another part of the world, it’s natural for any country to pursue its own interests. This is true for the West. This is true for the East. It’s a question of words. Of course, you can use expressions like, “Russia wants the Ukraine to go eastward, not westward. Russia wants the Ukraine in the same economic space with Russia, to trade with Russia, to develop its industry together with Russia”. I wouldn’t say that this is anti-European, because, as Mikhail Gorbachyov once said, “We should build Europe from the east and from the west”.

Why do we think that all the nice things necessarily come from the West alone? We have the fascinating cultural phenomenon of Eastern Europe, which comprises Russia, the Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, possibly, I’d say Poland and the Baltic states. Yes, these countries have a close relationship; they’ve been part of the same economic space, of the same civilisation, for a long time. I don’t see why these countries are worse than France, Germany, Spain, Italy, and Greece. Some of these Eastern European countries are actually doing better economically than Greece or Italy. So, Russia wants the Ukraine to stay with Russia, to be with Russia, Russia doesn’t want the Ukraine to build a wall, separating itself from Russia, and Russia supplies natural gas and oil to the Ukraine, and what Russia did was to say that if that Ukraine continues to turn its back on Russia, then, Russia would charge the market price for its oil and gas. The Ukraine has no other source of cheap oil and gas other than Russia. Therefore, indeed, it’s a just requirement. We should say, “If you want to trade with us, if you want us to give you trade privileges, be polite. Don’t say things like, ‘We’re Europeans, and you aren’t Europeans, we’re anthropologically superior’”. When I say “anthropologically superior”, I’m quoting official documents from one of the nationalist Ukrainian parties, which unfortunately, has support from many EU politicians. Accordingly, indeed, Russia made it very clear to the Ukraine that we’re brothers, we’re related in all respects, but you must be polite if you want us to be nice to you in economic terms.

Young

Is the issue of Yuliya Timoshenko, is her situation in any way related to the EU situation with the Ukraine?

Babich

Right now, I think its losing relevance, but I think it played an important role during the last few weeks. The problem was that as Yanukovich braced up for this Vilnius summit, he expected the EU to be more lenient to him and not demand him to release Timoshenko for medical treatment in Western Europe, but the EU leaders, before they made it a sine qua non, said that if Timoshenko wasn’t released, the Ukraine isn’t going to get association membership, then, the situation became very blurred during the last few weeks. It looked like the EU would sign the deal, even if Timoshenko was still in prison, then, just days before the signature, EU Commissioner Štefan Füle came to Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, and Yanukovich asked him, “What are you going to give to the Ukraine to compensate it for the economic losses that we’ve already suffered, economic losses from severing our ties with Russia?” Füle just said something about democracy, and rule of law, and being in the same space with the most-civilised countries in the world, then, he demanded Timoshenko’s release again. Probably, that was the straw that broke the camel’s back, for the next day, Yanukovich said that he wouldn’t refuse in future to join an association agreement with the EU, but that, for now, he postponed this decision. Most likely, no one will take it at the EU Summit in Vilnius. Actually, the Ukrainian representative in the customs union with Russia officially said that he’d love to see the Ukraine, the EU, and Russia come to some sort of deal that’d make it possible for the Ukraine to trade freely with both entities, with Russia and the EU. However, I think it isn’t possible, primarily, because of the EU’s position, which is, “It’s either us or Russia”.

23 November 2013

Voice of Russia World Service

http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_11_23/EU-insisted-from-the-very-beginning-on-no-joint-membership-of-Ukraine-in-free-trade-zone-with-EU-expert-9997/

Editor’s Note:

The only groups in the Ukraine that are gung-ho for the EU are the Uniates and schismatic Orthodox (and here). Don’t forget, Yanukovich inherited the EU association process from the pro-American running-dog collaborator, Yushchenko. He spun it out as long as he did for two reasons. Firstly, he wanted to see what the West had on offer. They had nothing… they, in fact, expected him to fuck ordinary Ukrainians with massive rent and utilities increases. With “friends” like that, no one needs enemies! Secondly, it gave him “cover” in appealing to “moderates” (he knew that, whatever he did, the Uniate and schismatic nutters would oppose him). “See, I gave the EU every chance, but the Germans wanted me to raise your rental and utility rates, and I wouldn’t do that! I won’t hurt my people at the behest of Germans”.

Reflect on this… the Uniates have always been a Fifth Column for the Germans in the Ukraine (as one saw in their enthusiastic support for the SS in the VOV). It’s time for the Ukraine to cut Galicia loose… it doesn’t deserve to have such traitors in its midst. Let the Galician Uniates go hat in hand to their Vatican, American, and German paymasters. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say. Why do ordinary Uniates put up with their collaborationist clergy? After all, they’re not bad people at base (they’re family members torn away by intolerant papist rulers)… they’re merely misled and brainwashed. It’s a crank world, isn’t it?

BMD

 

Tuesday, 26 June 2012

Former Ukrainian President Yushchenko Pledges to Set Up Right-Wing Party

This is an impious pseudo-icon painted by the Galician Uniates… don’t be angry, they’re on the way DOWN. History’s on our side…

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Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko said that he’d establish a right-wing political movement that’d win the upcoming parliamentary election slated for 28 October, saying, “We’ll gain not only five percent, but more”, referring to the five-percent threshold needed for his party to enter the Verkhovna Rada (the unicameral Ukrainian parliament). The ex-president said his new political force would unite over 30 parties and organizations, including The Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists and Nasha Ukraina (Our Ukraine), headed by Yushchenko. According to a recent opinion poll held in Ukraine, the Yushchenko-led Nasha Ukraina only has the support of about one percent of the respondents.

26 June 2012

RIA-Novosti

http://en.rian.ru/world/20120626/174256876.html

Tuesday, 17 February 2009

Ukrainian Poll says President Yushchenko should Step Down Now, PM Timoshenko should Stay

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Ukrainian Prime Minister Yuliya Timoshenko (1960- ). Da winnah and still champeen… by a knockout! My money’s on Yuliya Vladimirovna… the only question’s how long it’s going to take for her to take Yushchenko out.

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A recent survey revealed that the majority of Ukrainians believe that President Viktor Yushchenko, whose term ends next year, should step down now, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN reported on Tuesday. According to the poll, carried out by the Kiev International Institute for Sociology, just under 70 percent of Ukrainians believe Yushchenko should leave his post, whereas just over 19 percent believe he should stay. When asked if Yushchenko should be impeached, just over 56 percent of those polled were in favour, with almost 27 percent against. In the same survey, respondents were asked about Prime Minister Yuliya Timoshenko and whether she should step down. The results showed that just over 43 percent were in favour of her stepping down, whereas just over 45 percent believe she should remain in office. The poll was carried out between 29 January and 5 February and involved a sample of 1,642 respondents from around the country with a 3.7 percent margin of error.

17 February 2009

RIA-Novosti

http://en.rian.ru/world/20090217/120185228.html

Editor’s Note:

Yuliya smells the blood in the water… boy, oh, boy… she’s ready to pounce for the kill. When she does, she’s gonna make it look like Yushchenko’s fault, and butter won’t melt in her mouth. No one’ll raise a peep (save for a few disappointed fools in the Galician North American diaspora), for she’d solve the worst problem in the Russian Near Abroad without overly much fuss. The few Yushchenko true-believers left would be pensioned off to Toronto, Chicago, Bradford, or Edmonton. Yuliya Vladimirovna would then get down to seriously mending fences with the Russian Federation… the neighbours are so nice… after all, they’re part of the family!

BMD

Saturday, 22 November 2008

The Famine of the 1930s in the USSR: Myths and Truth

Stanislav Kosior (1889-1939), the hangman of the Ukraine, like “Iron Feliks” Dzerzhinsky, he was a Pole. Is that why Yushchenko is silent about his bloody rule? Kosior wasn’t a “moskal“, to be sure! Truth accuses the Galician Uniates, yet again. Oh, yes, Kosior was shot by Stalin… Maybe, Solzhenitsyn was right, that Stalin was God’s instrument to punish the Reds for their initial excesses…

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Documents from recently-opened archives proved that by talking about the famine of the 1930s in the Soviet Union as if it was solely an act of genocide against the Ukrainian people, President Viktor Yushchenko pursued a goal of distorting historical facts and he invented new myths. The famine of the 1930s took the lives of more than 7 million people in all regions of the Soviet Union, not only in the Ukraine, according to various independent historians. The archives contain dozens of documents, telegrams, certificates, and directives, yellowed with time. Each small piece of paper tells much about someone’s tragic fate. One is a cipher text message addressed to Iosif Stalin about an acute shortage of bread in some regions of the country and about mass deaths from hunger. Another document stated that, in 1932-33, 32 percent of the entire population of Saratov Oblast died of famine. Japanese historian Shimotomai Nobua said, “It’s hard to study all these documents and be able to keep a cool mind. This was a real tragedy that the people of the Soviet Union had to live through. I can’t share Yushchenko’s opinion that only the Ukraine suffered from famine. This was a tragedy for all the Soviet peoples, Russian, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, and others. The Ukraine ought to look at the issue from a different angle. Now, their approach is unilateral”.

In the meantime, Yushchenko published a list of people who are to blame for the famine, there are mainly Russian and Jewish names on it. The name of Stanislav Kosior is missing, even though he was one of the leaders of the Soviet Ukraine and took an active part in mass repressions and execution of homeless children. So, Yushchenko’s list is another attempt to rewrite history. Sergei Markov, a deputy of the RF Gosduma, said, “The ‘Holodomyr‘ concept is a complete fake. It has no basis in scientific or historical fact. Those Ukrainian experts who write about the so-called ‘Holodomyr’ were forced to do that, but actually, they don’t believe in what they say. Their aim is to stir up hatred between Russians and Ukrainians and motivate anti-Russian and anti-Jewish sentiments. President Yushchenko and his allies stand behind this. Blaming Russia for the ‘genocide of the Ukrainian nation’, they dare to justify fascism. Those people who accuse Russians and Jews of genocide conceal the truth about the Nazi aggression against the Ukraine. President Yushchenko even gives awards to the leaders of contemporary neo-Nazi factions”.

Most of the historians and politicians studying the famine of the 1930s can say for sure that the main aim of the so-called “Holodomyr” theory is to drive a wedge between Russia and the Ukraine. Moreover, the only means to provide people with the facts is to study the archives; now, they’re available to everyone who’s eager to know the truth.

19 November 2008

Voice of Russia World Service

http://www.ruvr.ru/main.php?lng=eng&q=35270&cid=59&p=19.11.2008

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